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Im sure these 'cien' guys sadly have low self worth and think they will get 'laid better' if they are seen as generous to the girls. The sad truth is it is exactly the opposite but they will never get it.[/quote]
I don't know about the low self worth thing, but I agree 100% with the rest of your post
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Fact is some (like a very good friend of mine who always overpays) do think that if the girl is happier over the $$$ they will have a better secesion :roll: (and after many instances of this just not being the case, you would think he would "get it"); also some guys are shy and don't have the personality to negociate.
I've told my friend over and over - offer $80 plus a tip - at leats you are going to have
some bargining power over her preformance vs just giving $100 - but some guys don't listen and just can't - or don't want - to improve.
It matters little what others do and has little to no effect on me - in fact, I've stayed out of the current "Great cien debate" thread b/c some just never get it
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Your post reply sounded good until I got to the $80 plus tip part. That sure sounds like cien to me. You guys are pushing it WAY too high and ruining for the regulars.[/quote]
My point was regarding my friend; better to have
some control vs none - not for me or guys (like you) that might have a clue - that part of the post was strictly about another option for
him
Frankly - if you know what you are doing - and have a clue (as you seem to) - what another pays, how they roll should have no effect on you - I know 2 things:
If I asked "How much" outside of an MP she is almost always going to say $100
I'm not going to pay it (for a ton of reasons) in almost every instance - and if she sticks to cien, it means that she was not into me and the time may very well have been wasted - as a rule, I don't pay it - but regardless what I do, others will - and it really does not effect guys like me or perhaps you.
Truly, what someone else does has little effect; plus just coming out and asking how much is the sign of a newbi - sure, let it come up but do it on your terms, not hers, as part of the negociation (and I don't agree w/ guys who say, don't negociate; make it less like business - but that seems like the wrong way - at least to me) - and I don't care that she can ask $100 - just not (in 99% of the times) gonna get from me