You can find more visual pleasure and better happy endings elsewhere...have seen both Virgie is older hispanic im guessing somewhere in her 50s; does an ok job catered to your specifications...rub and tug is ok and will remove top (I prefer her keep it on)...Laura thicker Hispanic and mid 30s I suspect; very mechanical and IMHO tries to be enthusiastic but just doesnt come across very well. Dont get me wrong both are VERY sweet and when I simply want a massage and nothing else...they fit the bill (proximity, pricing, and availability)