Bad news for male therapists?

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Oh dear, bad case at London's Blackfriars Crown Court of a male massage therapist (and salon owner) accused of indecent assault. Only the prosecution case has been heard so far, but client claims a one-hour treatment lasted two and a half hours. No doubt this case will get a lot of space in the papers.
Is it inevitable that the publicity surrounding a case like this will put clients off male therapists?
 
heck i will have to be careful, most of my appointments run over!!!!

seriously though I have not heard about it and it wouldnt change my opinion of going to see a male therapist (in fact my regular therapist is male)


tigs
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My experience has been that I have never had a bad treatment from a male therapist, whereas female therapists can be a bit hit and miss...

Lesley
 
[link=http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=4726304]Full story[/link]

Mat xxx
 
the guy in question is listed as a london-based tantric educator...
http://www.sourcetantra.com/certified-tantric-educators.html

maybe he got his modalities confused

i'm afraid it is bad news for us male therapists. the potential market for male therapists is orders of magnitude smaller mainly because of (1) homophobia among men (2) distrust among women of male therapists and (3) sexism in clinics/spas etc. yes, if you're good therapist, your practice will build. but in terms of growth potential, we need this kind of negative publicity like a hole in the head.

phew. that feels better already.

warm regards

henry
 
bloody 'ell!

There was a similar case in Kingston Hospital with a physiotherapist who told a woman to strip naked. (Physiotherapy is carried out on clothed patients.) Can't seem to find info on google though.
 
What a horror story.
As you say, the last thing we need - whether it scares clients away, or brings them in for the wrong reasons.

Let's hope it stays in proportion.

BV

PS Darren, if it's not on Google it doesn't exist
 
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wait a sec... i'm not on google! [sm=sad-smiley-047.gif]
 
were going through the same at the minute as my dad is a reflexologist and an aromatherophy masseur and he has been accused of being to familiar with a client and he is absollutely devestated and i know my dad is telling the truth and hope the truth will win through

julie
 
Hi Julie

He must be very upset about that.

Unfortunately this is something that is going to get more common as time goes on, we normally follow the American trends about twenty years after it kicks off there and people thanks mainly to no win no fee offers from solicitors as hopeful of winning compensation for all sorts of things.

The answer is unfortunately to stop being such helpful and caring people and become ultra clinical which IMO is not the reason I became a therapist in the first place.
 
Julie,
That sounds terrible - for your father and everyone connected to him. I hope it gets sorted out. This sort of thing can be very discouraging for anyone starting out in this business. I've already been told by one female therapist that I'll only get clients if I go in for something more "masculine", ie sports massage. But that's not what interested me in training in the first place.
Well, we'll just have to see. If nothing else, my wife and daughter will benefit (are already benefiting) from my training. I know I'm good (people have told me). All I've got to do now is try to connect with the people who can benefit from my abilities.
Incidentally, all through my training I kept quiet about it at my "day job" as I knew everyone's reaction would be all too predictable. Now they know - and, needless to say, it didn't take them long to make the connection between me and the court case: "Isn't that what YOU do??!" Hugely amusing...

Nick
 
In the newspaper articvle, the client is quoted to have said
Sadly there is still a lot of education to be done. Teach people/children not to stay silent when they are in what feels (rightly or not) as an abusive situation.
It is sad, but help can so ofetn be misunderstood.

Artemis
 
here's an update...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4638419.stm
 
just looking at the update, the guy was obviously a menace to women and quite rightly was jailed. We arent just talking about a lone woman saying that she had been touched up, this guy sexually molested more than one.

We have to keep things in perspective, as these are isolated cases. The key to it all is being 100% professional at all times, and ensuring you cover yourself, by conducting a thorough and comprehensive consultation, which should be signed by the client, and everything you do within the treatment being recorded afterwards.

I feel that too many massage therapists skip this, which I feel is not only unprofessional, but can lead to unscrupulous people accusing them of all sorts. If you notice nowadays you dont get an insurance certificate to pin up on your wall...this is due to the large number of bogus claims being made against therapists, because they can see just how much they are insured for.

Its a shame for the aromatherapist mentioned above, there are people who get attached to their therapists, and who can be fantasists, and theres not too much you can do, apart from, as I said, almost clinical consultations, which immediately gives you a thoroughly professional appearance.
 
He hasn't been found guilty yet I assume.
Even if he is, my patients know me and anyone who has doubts can access any of them for a reference.
I think its safe to say that every male masseur is automatically a suspect; after all, why else would any red blooded man want to do a job like that?
You know that it's not true, and I know it's not true, but if people want to think that way, there's nothing standing in their way except their prejudices.
Mike
 
i totally agree with sportstherapy about the recording of the treatment etc. it is the best and easiest way forward to stamp out prejudice and uphold professionalism for both genders

i guess it won't be long tho until crb checks are required by clinics/ salons etc.

i had one done in order for me to do baby massage at work and although they are not foolproof a crb would have listed said molesters previous jail sentence in that particular case

though i suppose that is no protection for the public if someone dodgy(male or female) is working from home/ mobile etc and don't get themselves checked.

it's such a shame that people have untoward perceptions of male therapists.
that said i had a (horrible and creepy) man ask me a while back "what does your husband think about you doing massage?"

it always seems to be those with the least knowledge form the most steadfast opinions huh?
 
[sm=nature-smiley-008.gif]I wouldn't have thought that the antics of one bad apple isreally going to give male massage therapists a bad name across the board. That's if he is a bad apple, I can't say I've read about the case, has he been tried & convicted?[/align][/align]While mostpeoplemight assess that he was using massage therapy as a door of opportunity, they would equally be able to recognise this as a statement of the individual's motivation in those circumstances rather than a general statement on the inclinations of male massage therapists everywhere.
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Yes, he has been convicted - see the following:

And, no, it should/must not affect the work done by thousands of good (male) therapists.
 
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  34. Moneylee:
    Full season Wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Connie , Student big boobs buttocks Vicky ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Dupu , young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Linda ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  35. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Apple๐Ÿ˜˜ - Brand new girl from Taiwan ju
  36. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: ๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒบ Weclome to wonder spa (9421Jane st unit127)L6A4H8 โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,.๐Ÿ˜on Saturday4younge girl working everyday,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ’„new young girl Cici is beautiful Sweet and friendy girl good deep tissue massage,very popular,give you warm time,๐Ÿท nice Amy vatename girl service excellent massage open maid,she know what do you want,Holiday come to try๐Ÿง‘โ€๐ŸŽ„โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ
  37. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธRebeccaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  38. Annie Spa:
    Our sexy new superstar Michelle is working today Saturday December 28th with gorgeous young girls Judy and Coco๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜ Michelle only works on Saturdays and her schedule gets booked up very quickly so book your appointments well in advanceโ€ฆitโ€™s always a very special and busy day at Annie Spa on Saturdays when Michelle is working ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜โค๏ธ๐Ÿฅฐ100% real Michelle pictures๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ Call Annie Spa and ask for May to book appointments ๐Ÿ’ฏโค๏ธ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป 1001 Sandhurst Circle Unit #7 Finch and McCowan Area 437-818-8
  39. HollywoodSpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: COCO & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls. We have Chinese, Japanese, Korean & other attendants. COCO is an attractive attendant with nice massage skills & good services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty, 5โ€™5โ€
  40. ASPA:
    SATURDAY at ๐€ ๐’๐๐€: Jenny, Rachel & Tracy. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ JENNY is a sexy Asian honey, about 165 Cms., slim to medium build, beautiful natural 36Cโ€™s, long sexy legs & big hips, good massage & excellent services. Jenny has sexy smooth skin and a very good personality.
  41. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Mimi, Sera & Cindy. Mimi is a young and beautiful real Japanese girl with natural 34DD Cups and a great body. She is open to bbbj, dfk and cfs, and can hold a great convo in English or Japanese. Sara has DD cups and a medium build. She can provide an excellent bbbj and top quality massage.
  42. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY & NANA. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills Nana is a slim and very sexy Korean lady, very pretty and accommodating. Come and try, you will like. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด
  43. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LUNA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LUCY is a cute young Vietnamese girl, 5โ€™1โ€, 50Kgs, with a full range of services available. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups
  44. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga kiki and Mia
  45. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Coco, Nayla & Ada are in today ๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐ŸซฆCoco is a young sexy Taiwanese girl ๐Ÿ’„Nayla is a Tall, Young, Beautiful & Curvy Spanish Girl ๐Ÿซฆ Ada is a sexy European Hottie ๐Ÿ‘„ All Our Girls Provide Lots of E X T R A S & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค—We're Open from 8am til Late Everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  46. lotushubspa:
    Hi, ๐Ÿ’‹Louts๐Ÿ’‹ recommends the best female masseuse to customers today, Anna๐Ÿ’‹ is from China, Tina๐Ÿ’‹ is from Taiwan, ๐Ÿ’ฏJessica๐Ÿ’‹ is from South Korea, ๐Ÿ’ฏ lives at 10737 Yonge St Unit13. Please contact 9052375885โ˜Ž๏ธ or SMS 4163565876, ๐Ÿ’‹Thank you
  47. EMSpa_schedule:
    Our promotion begins today! Enjoy a discount while having a great session!!
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 girls are working today, young fun Yoyo 36DD with big buttocks open mind 30โ€™s and young cute Sophia slime, sweet GFE Lina and pretty Ella are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Suki deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in th
  50. See You Health Center:
    Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Sexy tight body amazing C cups with Those incredible nipples Sami Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
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