Demanding client with healing crisis

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I have an interesting case with a client who I have seen about 6 times. She called about three months ago and was very demanding that she get in right away. She has issues with her neck, shoulder, knee, and hip. She is getting some treatment by an Osteopath and doing Pilates. She is in her mid 50's.
She is very demanding during the sessions. :roll: I have found that I have to let her know near the end of the massage "that we only have 10 min. left." She constantly asks for more work on specific areas. Yet she is very complimentary on the work we're doing. She frequently has a healing crisis after the treatment- flu-like, feels tired and sick, etc. Yet, the last time she requested that I focus on her low back and hips-especially the left one for over 25 min. :shock: And she had another "therapeutic reaction" after the session, cancelled her next visit and I haven't heard from her.
This is frustrating me in that I feel like I've lost control of her treatment and she's running the show by herself. :roll:
Anybody have any suggestions, ideas?
Thanks,
rubmyster
 


I have only seen a few clients like this and they ususally have some sort of severe stress making them behave this way.

For me, it is hard to work with a client like this and usually I end up referring them out.

I just read mush's post at the bottom about more time - I'll have to try that on the next client I get with similar issues. All the responses were so well thought out and I too am appreciative for the input. I'd have never thought to handle it like Anastasia, but it's a great idea to add to my repoitoir.
 


I saw this posting yesterday, and didn't answer because I'm not sure what you're looking for. I'd like to help... I have been frustrated when I feel like I can be helpful to someone who is experiencing pain, but then is not consistent with their treatments, or doesn't do the home care I suggest. Is that is what is frustrating?

You want suggestions for...................what? You feel frustrated that she is running the show.....But now you haven't heard from her.

How long has it been since you last treated her/heard from her?
Do you want to know if you should contact this client?

Or, do you want some ideas on how to conduct your speech and/or the treatment the next time she calls you?



Noel
 


One of my now favorite clients started out much like yours - telling me how to do what she wanted done and for what duration.... after the first dozen or so times of letting her get her way and being really p!@#!@ at myself for doing so, I just told her flat out the next time she called - 4 months later - that, "the rules of engagement" had changed since she had been gone, and, that I now decided, using my professional judgement how long each area should be concentrated on following a more intensive pre-massage discussion of her current conditions/complaints. She came in with a huge laundry list of complaints and concerns - WRITTEN OUT!!!! So, we went over them, I had her choose which of the FIFTEEN things she really thought were the most pressing problems - being certain that the choices were limited to THREE - and proceeded with the work from there. When she started in with her usual litany about how I should be doing what to where, I simply referred to her list, her choices and commented appropriately on whether the request was on the choices list or not. Never had another problem with her directing the massage after that... and, months later, she finally admitted, that, when I limited her choices to the most pressing problems or concerns that she didn't seem to feel so "toxic" post-massage.

Maybe if you tried that approach with your client, the dynamic would change back to the one you seem to want it to be - where you are respected for your professional abilities, not the ones where you are treated like a doormat.

Good luck!
J
 
Demanding client with healing crisis

Thanks for your responses. What I was looking for was some support that this happens to other MTs, that the client may not know exactly what they need and that controlling the session by the client is not the best outcome.
I willl be calling her soon to check in and see where she's at.
I have been very busy with work, as well as having my house fumigated and it's been difficult at times to assert boundaries when I'm not at my best.
Cheer, happy friday 13th,
you guys are the best 8)
Rubmyster
 
Demanding client with healing crisis

Rubmyster said:
Thanks for your responses. What I was looking for was some support that this happens to other MTs, that the client may not know exactly what they need and that controlling the session by the client is not the best outcome.

Yes, this certainly happens. It's most frustrating when you only see them once or twice, and are never able to establish a rapport, and assert that you can---and show them how---you can be helpful in their healing.

I personally believe that until these people take responsibility for their own healing, they aren't going to become well. They mistakenly think they are trying--controlling the actions of the therapist. But in the real world there is no magic pill in the form of the perfect therapist that massages them in their idea of the perfect way that is going to "fix" them. Unfortunately, they either don't stick around long enough to realize/experience this, or their own agenda is so loud in their head.............they don't "hear" your recommendations, and/or they're so in their head, they just can't relax or even feel what part of THEIR body you are touching. A good analogy is driving home from work, and realizing you don't even remember the drive.........so obsessed with your own thoughts and grocery list in your head that, you don't know if you stopped at the stoplight.

People continue their self-defeating actions because they have something to gain from them. Perhaps a client like this, gets attention from being hurt or unwell, gets attention from their peers for knowing every therapist in town, or is lazy and somehow relizes that to be well, they will have to work at it instead of paying someonelse to make them well. Maybe they are low man on the totem pole at home and work and directing your actions is the only chance they ever have to feel important?

Anyway, I have had clients like this, when you are able to reach them, and facilitate their healing, I don't think there is anything more rewarding. Unfortunately, they are often one-hit wonders and you often don't get a second chance.

I agree that AnastasiaB has described a good approach, and something similar I have used before to good effect.

Keep us posted,
Noel

edited to fix some typos
 


my formerly demanding client is now a happier client because she :banana: decided that she needs 90 minutes instead of 60 minutes. she was always asking for more time on almost each and every body part. on top of that, she was in a really stressful situation, so was not so pleasant. thankfully it had resolved itself and we are both happier for it.

suggest more time to accomodate her needs.
 
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    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Coco๐Ÿ˜˜- A young cute blonde Asian girl
  38. hiyamickey:
    6 girls work at Reinella wellness, Address:6262 hwy7 unit #1 Vaughan, โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  39. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธAlisa Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  40. JerryWangWw:
    Suko spa every day have 7 different style masseuse please call 905-597-8880 ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿคฉs working here
  41. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒwe have 4young beautiful girls working everyday ,RMT available Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…,service queen Jessica ,she is very friendly nice girl,deep tissue massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…,short Q girl Lucy is very good looking,she got a lot experience very popular,big big boob sex Joey really beautiful face open maid,everything she can do๐Ÿ”ฅmust try
  42. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: AMY (11:30am โ€“ 9pm) is a young, petite short & slim Taiwanese, former dance instructor, firm natural B Cups, pretty face, firm natural titis, super play good, bbbj, cim, rim, dfk, all services. BEBE : is a nice young Korean girl with a natural super busty DD Cup, petite
  43. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mia๐Ÿ˜ beautiful young Singapore girl. Mia has a very sexy body, and beautiful busty boobs and golden blonde hair. She can give a very good teasing and relaxing massage with a sensual great playful HAPPY service. So very sexy beauti
  44. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild
  45. HolidaySpa:
    Wednesday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMILY, KIKI & CINDY. EMILY is a VERY tiny petite SPINNER superstar of the highest quality. Emily has a pretty face, natural A Cups, slim waist, and a lovely spinner bottom, topped off with the very best of services. Kiki is very attractive, young, about 5โ€™4โ€ and 110 Lbs., slim with a banging body.
  46. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Sophia ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Helen,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament summer ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  47. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Sasa ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Julie ,Young girl Big-breasted big big butts Aris ,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Wednesday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA, TIFFANY & TINA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim waist, & a cute little 33โ€ booty. Tiffany has incredible bbbj skills, tastes as sweet as honey
  49. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 11 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MALIYA, MONIKA, NINA, SUMMER, ASHA, PREETI, SARA, ANAYA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  50. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 girls are working today, young cute Lily 22โ€™s and young pretty Mia 25โ€™s, young fun Ivy 36DD with big buttocks open mind and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
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