Dodgy telephone enquiry for massage!

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Am I missing something? Is the term 'complementary therapies' a new euphamism for 'lewd personal services'?

I had my first enquiry last night, from an advert I've had in the local paper's classified section, under 'compementary therapies'. It simply says 'mobile complementary therapies' my business name and my phone number.

The man on the phone asked "What do you do?" to which I replied, "Reiki, aromatherapy, IHM and ear candling" he then said "Oh so you don't do full body massage then" I then went on to explain that masssage forms part of an aromatherapy treatment. He then asked if I had a room at home he could come to as he lives out of the area and only comes to visit his girlfriend twice a week. I replied that I could only carry out treatments from home on certain days,and Iwould ask him to bring his girlfriend with him as I would not treat a male who is unknown to me on my own. He said this would not be a problem and then the phone went dead. I used 1471 and the number was withheld

Ten minutes later he rang again and apologised for the phone going dead and wanted to book a suitable day and time. I asked him if he knew if he had any contra-indications to an aromatherapy massage and he said no. I then asked him if he had any presenting conditions that he wished me to treat and he said no. I then asked him what he wanted from the massage and he said "I just have them purely for pleasure". Alarm bells started to ring then because if he'd had an aromatherapy massage before he would have known when I said I did aromatherapy, in his first phone call, that massage was involved. I then replied, in an authoritive tone, that I hoped by pleasure he meant relaxation. The phone went dead again and I've not heard from him since. URGHH!!

I'm going to insist now that any male clients are referred to me ONLY by existing, trusted clients.
 
Hi,
Can I offer an alternative view?

I know there are some dodgy guys out there, and I would always recommend going with your intuition, but I wonder if you might be being a bit hard on him?

Your advert was vague - "mobile complementary therapies" doesn't really say what you do, does it? He asked if you do full body massage, but he has obviouslynever had aromatherapy. When he said "I just have them purely for pleasure" he could have been referring to previous body massages he's had that did not involve aromatherapy. And what's wrong with having a full body massage for pleasure? That's why I have them - when I feel like a bit of pampering.

So what are the other warning signs? He withheld his number - I always do that when I'm calling someone I don't know. He hung up twice - the first time might have been an accident, and the second time you scared him off! I don't think I'd want to come to someone who effectively reprimanded me for wanting pleasure from a massage!

Yes, you might be right, he could have been dodgy, but he could equally have been a man who enjoys massage and was a bit nervous about making the call to a somewhat unclear advertisement. Let's face it, there are usually other adverts that make it perfectly clear what they are offering, and massage is just one aspect! If he wanted extras, he could easily have called one of them rather than a vague "mobile complementary therapies" ad.


I think the important thing is to decide what your position is with male clients, set your boundaries and stick to them. Whatever you decide to do, you also need to make it clear in your advert. That way you also avoid the embarrasement of a lady booking a massage as a surprise present for a friend, and then finding out that the friend happens to be male - I have done this for male freinds, and it wouldn't have occured to me in the past to mention it to the therapist.

With love,
Amber
 
Please don't be completely put off by stupid men who can neither read nor listen.
You stated clearly what your services are. You could add that a male chaperone will be present.
Remember Ignorance is cureable, stupidity isn't
from an old, male, expeienced, amateur masseur (no current cert.) with 30 years practice.
 
Hi Amber Lady

Thank you for your alternative view, but my gut instinct told me that something was not quite right. I omitted to say that I asked him if he'd had an aromatherapy massage before and he said he had, I actually asked him what he wanted from the aromatherapy massage and it was his emphasis on the word 'pleasure' that I disliked.

"Your advert was vague - "mobile complementary therapies" doesn't really say what you do, does it?"

All of the other adverts in the same section are just names, professional membershipdetails and telephone numbers, apart from one who advertises herself as a reflexologist. I'm the only one advertising as mobile.

Also the lineage adverts in the complementary therapy section of the yellow pages could be percieved as vague because they don't state what the therapist does either.

But I would expect someone who claims to have hadan aromatherapy massage before, as in his case, would know that a practitioner offering 'aromatherapy' offers a range of massages as part of the therapy and would not feel compelled to say " So you don't do full body massage then"

If a male client comes to me via a gift voucher, then I'll obviously know the person I've sold the gift voucher to and I always take a note of the recipients name on the receipt so that I'll know who they are when they ring me for an appointment.

Love & light

Calmer
 
Then that is enough - I ALWAYS go with my gut instinct when I get calls from male clients (although I'm not a massage therapist) and even when I do see them, I make the appointment for the evenings and say something along the lines of "you may hear the front door at some point, but don't worry, it's just my partner, he won't come in here" so that way they know there's going to be another man around at some point. A friend of mine has an imaginary house-mate and leaves the telly on in the sitting room - loud enough to be heard as they come in through the front door but not so loud that it's disruptive - and asks them if they'd like her to get her house-mate to turn the telly down. Again they think there's someone else there.

I do think that sometimes we can get over-sensitive just because it's a man though - I'm cetainly guilty of that sometimes - but there are many decent men out there who would like to make use of complementray therapies, and it would be a shame if they were all turned way simply because of their gender. I even know some fully-staffed beauty salons that won't take men, so it's not just us who are mobile or work from home!

As for the wording of your advert, you know best what fits in with the publication that you're advertising in, but why fit in with what everyone else puts in? "mobile complementary therapies" doesn't tell me what you do or why I should call you rather than anyone else - off topic, I know, but I wonder if you're selling yourself to your best possible advantage?

With love,
Amber
 
I agree, Amber, it's such a shame that a small contingent of men, whose massage requirements are on a different agenda, are spoiling it for the rest by putting us (female therapists) so much on our guard when dealing with prospective male clients. I wonder how many male therapists have to make such contingencies when treating a female client. ie bogushouse-mate, telly on, awaiting homecoming of partner, etc.

I would probably feel a bit easier if it was a new male client asking for something like Reiki or ear-candling, full body massage has so many connotations doesn't it.

I might just take up your advice on adding info to my addie, cost permitting. I'm trying to keep the lineage down as much as poss, which is probably why the other therapists put so little in their ads.

Thanks and love

Calmer
 
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment... is it the men who are spoiling it for the female therapists - or is it the other women who are advertising in the local paper offering massage, but really offering something else? Can you blame some men for getting confused? If your local paper is anything like mine, the majority of "massage" ads are really prostitutes.
Unfortunately, it's up to us to make sure what we do is absolutely clear, because we are in the minority.
 
Hi Nick,

The other people who are advertising alongside my own advert do not mention massage at all in their ads and I can identify them all as being bona fide complementary therapists as I've met some of them and heard of the rest. My aromatherapy tutor warned us against the mention of massage in any of our newspaper ads due to the lewd connotations it may draw. I don't think I've ever seen any ads alluding to the 'other' sort of massage in our local paper, it's usually full of adverts for farm machinery and livestock sales, LOL. However, the nearby city's local paper has a column for 'Health and Beauty' which usually contains the ads for 'massage and shower'.

You are right about us making ourselves absolutely clear about the service we provide apropos the seedier side of the massage industry. I wonder whether the professional bodies can do more to make the line between us more distinct.
 
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  34. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธCassy๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธTania Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  35. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 13 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ ASHA, NUR, PRIYA, MONIKA, LOLA LOVE MONICA, AMANDA, LUCY, PREETI, ANGELINA, SARIKA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  36. hiyamickey:
    7 girls working at Reinella wellness, address:6262 hwy7 , unit #1 Vaughan, โ˜Ž๏ธ๏ผš905-851-4888
  37. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Bella ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs coco ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Tina ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  38. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Mimi๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜A captivating and alluring new massage girl from Korea whose elegance and c
  39. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian , pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Yuki ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  40. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Jenny๐Ÿ˜˜ - An exotic tall and slim Vietna
  41. Paxton:
    Any Persian Milf out there?
  42. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa(9421Jane st unit127)โ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6A4H8.ensuit rain shower available ๐Ÿ’„Sunny is very big boost sexy girl ,she can provide very good massage with sensual touch, nice body slide,๐ŸŒนbeautiful girl long hair Mina can Reduce your pain,back walking,hot stone massage ๐ŸŒนnice friendly Lily strong massage open mind,really popular๐Ÿ”ฅmust try
  43. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: BEBE (10am to 8pm): is a nice young Korean girl with a natural super busty DD Cup, petite small body, open minded bbby cim cof rim, always cooperative, excellent services. out! KITTY (12pm to 9pm): is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business
  44. HollywoodSpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: CINDY, JENNY & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls. We have Chinese, Japanese, Korean & other attendants. CINDY is a slim & pretty lady with long dark hair and a pleasing personality. JENNY is slim, attractive
  45. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups & wonderfully long nipples. Her massage is nice, her bbbj will drive you wild & her cfs finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass.
  46. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: EMMAA, LUCY & CINDY. EMMA is a very beautiful slim Chinese honey with C Cups, beauty face, & nice services to drive you wild. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart
  47. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LUCY, TIFFANY & TINA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LUCY is a cute young Vietnamese girl, 5โ€™1โ€, 50Kgs, with a full range of services available. TIFFANY is an amazing slim petite doll with natural 34C melons, slim waist, & a cute little 33โ€ booty. Tiffany has incredible bbbj skills, tastes as sweet as honey
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 girls are working today, young cute Vivian 22โ€™s and young fun Ivy 36DD with big buttocks open mind, pretty EFG Ella and sweet Tina with curve body are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. lotushubspa:
    Spa AD ๐Ÿ’‹Lotus Hub Wellness๐Ÿ’‹ 10737 Yonge St, Unit 13, Richmond Hill, ON (Elgin Mills/Yonge)๏ผŒ 416-356-5876 Good morning, ๐Ÿ’‹ dear customers, today ๐Ÿ’‹ Lotus Spa ๐Ÿ’‹ arranges female masseuses. Different girls work every day. Today there is Lisa.๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ’‹ from South Korea, Yuki from China, Mary๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’ฏ from Taiwan. Please call 9052375885โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿ’‹ or 4163565876๐Ÿ’‹ SMS address 10737 Yonge St unit13 lotushubspa Post #366 Jan 2, 2025 Forum
  50. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day Young Slim Sexy Chinese Faye, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Slim Sexy Chinese Coco & Young Slim Sexy Chinese Jasmine
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