Hamstring Avulsion

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Hi,

Later this week, I have a new client who fell and suffered from a complete tear of her hamstring tendon at the ishchial tuberosity nine weeks ago. This was confirmed with an MRI. Instead of surgery, her doctor recommended that she take the conservative approach of PT in the hopes that scar tissue will reattach the tendon. I'm not sure if she's had another MRI since the initial one. I think she did have second MRI early into PT. She requested another MRI recently. Her doctor will not order another one because she has made progress while in PT.

While in PT, she told me that she has developed compensatory patterns and sciatica pain in the other leg. The PT won't help her because it's not part of her script. His advice: go see a massage therapist.

She told me that she can feel where the tear is and pushes in on the area... made me cringe when I heard her say that. She says that she experiences pain in the area when it is damp and cold outside.

I've had clients with partial tears. But, never a complete tear without surgery. Right now, I plan on checking her pelvic alignment and working on her hip flexors, glutes, and psoas. But, I'm really leery of working on the affected hamstring or trying to help realign scar tissue with friction and eccentric contractions.

Any advice on how to approach this? Has anyone had similar experiences? I appreciate any and all thoughts.
 
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Lanna said:
Any advice on how to approach this? Has anyone had similar experiences? I appreciate any and all thoughts.


Make sure and cover yourself by getting a script from the MD and a subsequent written document from her, as to what areas she is requesting worked. Make sure they compare properly. Then, follow up with the MD (get him/her on the phone or e-mail).

Don't work what your not comfortable working.

That's my best advice for now.
 
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pueppi said:
Lanna said:
Any advice on how to approach this? Has anyone had similar experiences? I appreciate any and all thoughts.


Make sure and cover yourself by getting a script from the MD and a subsequent written document from her, as to what areas she is requesting worked. Make sure they compare properly. Then, follow up with the MD (get him/her on the phone or e-mail).

Don't work what your not comfortable working.

That's my best advice for now.

Thank you. I'm going to call her tomorrow and email her a physician referral form to be completed prior to her scheduled massage. Her PT can not prescribe massage. Maybe, he would be willing to discuss the specifics of her case with me with her written consent. I think I have that form too.

I've had other doctors refer their patients to me for massage. I haven't had to contact any doctors about their patients though. I haven't contacted a PT before to discuss a client's injury/treatment. How does that work? After she signs a release form with both me and the PT, do I contact the PT or ask her to have the PT contact me?
 
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I believe you should be able to get a consent form from the client stating she is ok with you contacting her PT, and at the same time she can sign consent with her PT, stating she is ok with them discussing her case.
 
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You need to see imaging before working on that hamstring attachment!

It's probably way too early to start with eccentric loading. But best way I have found to isolate that attachment is to have patient place injured leg on a chair with a slight bend in the knee. Patient then moves into slight lumbar flexion. Instruct patient to drive heel into chair for 2-3sec, and repeat. Exercise can be performed am & pm. Work well for all those athletes with hamstring tendonosis issues.
 
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athletica said:
You need to see imaging before working on that hamstring attachment!

It's probably way too early to start with eccentric loading. But best way I have found to isolate that attachment is to have patient place injured leg on a chair with a slight bend in the knee. Patient then moves into slight lumbar flexion. Instruct patient to drive heel into chair for 2-3sec, and repeat. Exercise can be performed am & pm. Work well for all those athletes with hamstring tendonosis issues.

Thank you for the exercise suggestion. Since the client is in physical therapy, I am only providing massage. I was referring to eccentric loading while stretching as a means to realign scar tissue after cross fibering. I agree it is too soon to do that.

She brought her MRI review, but didn't have a completed physician referral form at the time of her appointment. She will have it before scheduling future appointments. She is also considering getting a second option and finding another doctor in order to get another MRI to confirm the tendon is attaching correctly and surgery is not needed.

She was not in any pain at the time of her appointment. PT must be working wonders for her because her gait and posture looked better than most people without injuries! I had her fill out an intake form and sign a release form. I gave her relaxation massage with the emphasis on improving circulation and going light on both legs, feet and ankles.
 
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Your too modest your treatment is probably a big reason for her improvement :)

I really like giving patients active isolated stretching as a bench mark as to whether I can be more aggressive with treatment. If they are able to do moevment pain free its probably a good sign I can move to assited stretching techniques.
 
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athletica said:
Your too modest your treatment is probably a big reason for her improvement :)

I really like giving patients active isolated stretching as a bench mark as to whether I can be more aggressive with treatment. If they are able to do moevment pain free its probably a good sign I can move to assited stretching techniques.

AIS has a detailed series of strengthening methods and protocols that would be an excellent complement to the work this client is already receiving. It starts very, very gently, and she can safely build up to ever-more-challenging work.

If you are not familiar with Active Isolated Stretching, do you know some other form of active stretching/strengthening method that falls within your scope of practice as an MT? If not, stick to massage and refer this client to a personal trainer familiar with corrective exercise once she is discharged from physical therapy.
 
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Hi Athletica,

Oh, it was the client's first appointment. So, I deserve no credit. Thank you for the good advice for assessing how aggressive you can be.

Hi Jason,

Yes, I am familiar with AIS and MET. I plan on incorporating more corrective techniques once I receive a completed physician referral form.
 
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  38. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
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  39. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Feifei๐Ÿ˜˜Our new Taiwanese beauty Feifei specializes in creating an intimate and deeply relaxing massage experience tailored to your desires. Her soft, skilled hands glide effortlessly, easing tension and awakening your senses with
  40. AliceSpa:
    MONDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : CICI (10:30am to 9pm) : is a petite cutie from Vietnam, all natural C Cups, small waist, firm ass, young innocent face. Her long hair shows youthful vitality. She is friendly & gentle, sometimes wild. Cici is very flexible and open minded, deep bbbj cim, great services.
  41. HollywoodSpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: MIMI, SISI & TRACY. โ˜Ž๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฎ-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿฐโ˜Ž When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls. We have Chinese, Japanese, Korean & other attendants. MIMI is a slim Chinese hottie with a great ass and liberal services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty
  42. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Miu Miu, Tiffany, Yumi & Cindy. Miu Miu is Asian, petite, very beautiful and hot. She has excellent massage, and provides great service. Tiffany is a very slim, tall, young & beautiful lady. Donโ€™t miss out on this top tier honey. Yumi is a young half Chinese / /half Korean very sexy
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ:JENNIFER, LILY & CINDY. JENNIFER is slim and curvy, with long dark hair, land nice services. Lily is a young, extremely sexy Vietnamese beauty, very slender, standing 5โ€™4โ€ with perky C Cups, slim waist, amazing ass, & model walk. Lily is a real beauty who can make you very satisfied.
  44. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA, HELEN & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. HELEN is a young & friendly lady with nice boobs and a slim body. She can do slide & daty & perform all kinds of services. LUCY is a cute young Viet
  45. luckywellness:
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  46. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Sexy Chinese Bella & Slim Sexy Chinese Coco
  47. lotushubspa:
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  48. Golden Sunshine Spa:
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  49. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Coco & Noor are in today ๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐ŸซฆCoco is a Young Sexy Taiwanese girl๐Ÿ’„Noor is a medium build Indian lady with nice services.๐Ÿ‘„ All Our Girls Provide Lots of E X T R A S & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค—We're Open from 8am til Late Everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  50. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 girls are working today, young cute tiny Lily 22โ€™s and young fun Ivy 36DD with big buttocks open mind , sweet GFE Ella and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
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