How pimps (promoters) ingratiate themselves with spas.

[William tell]

I've often wondered how these pimps ingratiate themselves with the various spas in the city. How is it that about a dozen or so "promoters" have aligned themselves with so many spas almost all of which are Asian spas.

Recently I came across a thread for a somewhat new spa or possibly a rebranded spa. The thread appears to be run by the someone at the spa itself. Maybe with the help of a friend. After posting their daily schedule for a short time in a professional manner wouldn't you know it but one of the usual suspects arrives on the scene and begins to add to the daily schedule posting with a follow up post. Nothing of any significance. Mindless BS basically. This goes on for a short time and then suddenly the wannabe pimp stops posting! What happened? Couldn't get the spa to sign on for their pointless BS? And guess what! Soon after another of these pimps arrives on the scene to add their "helpful" contributions to the thread but they too disappear before long! Another failed attempt to live off the avails of sex workers. Basically exploiting immigrant women who don't know better than to tell these losers to piss off! This spa continues to post daily without the assistance of the spa mafia. It can be done.

The original philosopher pimp almost seems quaint compared to the new fangled pimps stalking the spas now (when he is not making racist generalizations about the clientele visiting the spas he promotes).

I get, in the words of Oscar Wilde, that the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about but do these pimps actually help the various spas that they shake down? It seems that every "promoted" spa thread ends up being a flame war between the pimps and competing pimps or between pimps and paying clients.

There are very few actual reviews if you ignore the pimp reviews. I assume that these pimps understand that their reviews are meaningless do they not? Maybe not as one pimp often links his own reviews in the daily update. We don't need another review about an attendant who "is not tip hungry". Of course they're tip hungry! That is why they are there.

Before anyone says that these pimps are not hurting anyone you should ask the women directly. I know of one pimp who visits the spa and sits with the attendants in the waiting area all while feeling up the women who are too afraid to speak up for fear of reprimand by the offending pimp (negative reviews under a different name).

I think people should think twice about visiting spas that "employ" these "promoters" and try to visit these women at a spa not being exploited by the chicken hawks.

 

[luvdafurburger]

I've often wondered how these pimps ingratiate themselves with the various spas in the city. How is it that about a dozen or so "promoters" have aligned themselves with so many spas almost all of which are Asian spas.

Recently I came across a thread for a somewhat new spa or possibly a rebranded spa. The thread appears to be run by the someone at the spa itself. Maybe with the help of a friend. After posting their daily schedule for a short time in a professional manner wouldn't you know it but one of the usual suspects arrives on the scene and begins to add to the daily schedule posting with a follow up post. Nothing of any significance. Mindless BS basically. This goes on for a short time and then suddenly the wannabe pimp stops posting! What happened? Couldn't get the spa to sign on for their pointless BS? And guess what! Soon after another of these pimps arrives on the scene to add their "helpful" contributions to the thread but they too disappear before long! Another failed attempt to live off the avails of sex workers. Basically exploiting immigrant women who don't know better than to tell these losers to piss off! This spa continues to post daily without the assistance of the spa mafia. It can be done.

The original philosopher pimp almost seems quaint compared to the new fangled pimps stalking the spas now (when he is not making racist generalizations about the clientele visiting the spas he promotes).

I get, in the words of Oscar Wilde, that the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about but do these pimps actually help the various spas that they shake down? It seems that every "promoted" spa thread ends up being a flame war between the pimps and competing pimps or between pimps and paying clients.

There are very few actual reviews if you ignore the pimp reviews. I assume that these pimps understand that their reviews are meaningless do they not? Maybe not as one pimp often links his own reviews in the daily update. We don't need another review about an attendant who "is not tip hungry". Of course they're tip hungry! That is why they are there.

Before anyone says that these pimps are not hurting anyone you should ask the women directly. I know of one pimp who visits the spa and sits with the attendants in the waiting area all while feeling up the women who are too afraid to speak up for fear of reprimand by the offending pimp (negative reviews under a different name).

I think people should think twice about visiting spas that "employ" these "promoters" and try to visit these women at spa not being exploited by the chicken hawks.

You think the new batch is worse than Krayjee? I beg to differ with the exception of Pickyreviewerr.
Promoters are essentially the middleman between you and the spa. Are they needed? Are they beneficial? Arguably yes and yes, or no and no.
The board supposedly is for members to review, but that is now twisted to the point that if you do a review, it's probably going to be lost in a day or two down to page 8 because guys like Krayjee have paid shills who bump their threads all day talking about stupid shit to bolster his ego. If their spa was good, people will come and he wouldn't have to find ways to con you.
Imagine being a spa owner paying this clown what he claims is big money, only to see him copy and paste while he spends the day bumping HIS spa and bragging about golf. Fucking useless.
This board is full of this kind of stuff.
He is a snake oil salesman. Appropriate for a Snake in the Grass/ex car salesman. I'm sure his approach has been practised and refined to the point where any new owner is likely to fall for his grandiose but hollow promises.

 

[Apolyton]

Well put.

 

[Mr.Ballz_]

I've often wondered how these pimps ingratiate themselves with the various spas in the city. How is it that about a dozen or so "promoters" have aligned themselves with so many spas almost all of which are Asian spas.

Recently I came across a thread for a somewhat new spa or possibly a rebranded spa. The thread appears to be run by the someone at the spa itself. Maybe with the help of a friend. After posting their daily schedule for a short time in a professional manner wouldn't you know it but one of the usual suspects arrives on the scene and begins to add to the daily schedule posting with a follow up post. Nothing of any significance. Mindless BS basically. This goes on for a short time and then suddenly the wannabe pimp stops posting! What happened? Couldn't get the spa to sign on for their pointless BS? And guess what! Soon after another of these pimps arrives on the scene to add their "helpful" contributions to the thread but they too disappear before long! Another failed attempt to live off the avails of sex workers. Basically exploiting immigrant women who don't know better than to tell these losers to piss off! This spa continues to post daily without the assistance of the spa mafia. It can be done.

The original philosopher pimp almost seems quaint compared to the new fangled pimps stalking the spas now (when he is not making racist generalizations about the clientele visiting the spas he promotes).

I get, in the words of Oscar Wilde, that the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about but do these pimps actually help the various spas that they shake down? It seems that every "promoted" spa thread ends up being a flame war between the pimps and competing pimps or between pimps and paying clients.

There are very few actual reviews if you ignore the pimp reviews. I assume that these pimps understand that their reviews are meaningless do they not? Maybe not as one pimp often links his own reviews in the daily update. We don't need another review about an attendant who "is not tip hungry". Of course they're tip hungry! That is why they are there.

Before anyone says that these pimps are not hurting anyone you should ask the women directly. I know of one pimp who visits the spa and sits with the attendants in the waiting area all while feeling up the women who are too afraid to speak up for fear of reprimand by the offending pimp (negative reviews under a different name).

I think people should think twice about visiting spas that "employ" these "promoters" and try to visit these women at a spa not being exploited by the chicken hawks.

very well said. half of these threads are full of their pimps and pet doggies talking garbage and sharing stupid gifs. If someone leaves a proper review and if by any chance thats a negative one, the pimps will start attacking you. I stopped going to sl and e&m because of their disgusting and racist pimp jimmy. People should stop going to the spas that hire these disgusting pimps. i have a 1500/month budget for hobbying. I would not want any of it going to these pimps pockets.

 

[not impressed]

I've often wondered how these pimps ingratiate themselves with the various spas in the city. How is it that about a dozen or so "promoters" have aligned themselves with so many spas almost all of which are Asian spas.

Recently I came across a thread for a somewhat new spa or possibly a rebranded spa. The thread appears to be run by the someone at the spa itself. Maybe with the help of a friend. After posting their daily schedule for a short time in a professional manner wouldn't you know it but one of the usual suspects arrives on the scene and begins to add to the daily schedule posting with a follow up post. Nothing of any significance. Mindless BS basically. This goes on for a short time and then suddenly the wannabe pimp stops posting! What happened? Couldn't get the spa to sign on for their pointless BS? And guess what! Soon after another of these pimps arrives on the scene to add their "helpful" contributions to the thread but they too disappear before long! Another failed attempt to live off the avails of sex workers. Basically exploiting immigrant women who don't know better than to tell these losers to piss off! This spa continues to post daily without the assistance of the spa mafia. It can be done.

The original philosopher pimp almost seems quaint compared to the new fangled pimps stalking the spas now (when he is not making racist generalizations about the clientele visiting the spas he promotes).

I get, in the words of Oscar Wilde, that the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about but do these pimps actually help the various spas that they shake down? It seems that every "promoted" spa thread ends up being a flame war between the pimps and competing pimps or between pimps and paying clients.

There are very few actual reviews if you ignore the pimp reviews. I assume that these pimps understand that their reviews are meaningless do they not? Maybe not as one pimp often links his own reviews in the daily update. We don't need another review about an attendant who "is not tip hungry". Of course they're tip hungry! That is why they are there.

Before anyone says that these pimps are not hurting anyone you should ask the women directly. I know of one pimp who visits the spa and sits with the attendants in the waiting area all while feeling up the women who are too afraid to speak up for fear of reprimand by the offending pimp (negative reviews under a different name).

I think people should think twice about visiting spas that "employ" these "promoters" and try to visit these women at a spa not being exploited by the chicken hawks.

I cut out all of the spas promoted by these sexual exploitation facilitators, they have fucked up a lot lives in this business… turned many girls into nothing but an empty shell .. all for a free feel ..creeps .. nothing but creeps ..

 

[Ambler]

So let's start with some basic definitions. Pimps are exploitative predators who control their stables through violence, leverage, trickery and intimidation. They take the majority of the lady's income leaving them very little if any for themselves. For the predominantly asian massage wellness centers I have knowledge of, there might be only one guy who is exploitative and controlling and threatening, but he does not take the ladies' incomes, he charges them around $400 a month to post daily schedule updates and brief synopses of the girls working that day, occasionally posting a review. He now owns his own shop with the lady boss partner and does most of his primary posting there. There are several spas that post their own schedules and similar brief info or pics of the girls. They usually are paying an individual IT sort of guy to do this for a nominal fee. Many spas use promoters to bump spas thread with banter or brief reviews or suggestions and I was informed that some of these fellows get $100 a month, or free room fees, for keeping the spa on the first page of the thread. The goal is to get as many views and not to sink into the back pages and get subsumed in the volume of content here. Again, for the majority of the asian wellness centers I know of, and I am a semi-legit patron, these places are run by the ladies (some with backing by friends) in the spa who don't have the greatest English language skills in general, and see value in employing promoters. Some of these guys approach the spa, some of them are approached by the spa. Most spas are owned by former MPs who took the initiative and venture risk of starting their businesses. In spa world their is no syndicate in control exploiting the ladies. If you speak to the boss ladies many of them are ambitious hardworking people who are trying to succeed within the limited opportunities they have presented as new immigrants. Like any industry, some of them are better to work for then others, but the girls have the freedom to work at other spas and leave if they don't feel appreciated or are not earning what they hoped. This is not sex trafficking, the ladies may be impelled by economics to work in this industry, but there is a demand and many of them earn quite a bit more than they could working in other industries. Now, for the promoters of whom I personally have knowledge of their circumstances, JimiNY, OGfunguy, DareDevil, pickyreviewer, they are getting paid in the free room to nominal fee range. Some guys like me and a few others, post for spas with reviews or join the banter to help a particular lady we find worthy of notice for our own reasons. I don't get paid, I wrote some haikus and whatnot, and will support a shop that I feel is run well by decent ladies. It's kind of a hobby within a hobby for me. Now the esteemed krayjee is a bit more controlling and exploitative, leveraging girls for expanded services and BB, he has threatened one lady I know with the law a few years back after he got out of prison and was rebuffed when he wanted to return, and I was able to let her know he had no such influence. He poaches other spa's girls, takes unsolicited photos, and flashes nude pics of other ladies going years back to intimidate, all the while presenting himself as a supporter of the girls' freedom from controlling bosses who would prefer he doesn't poach their clients. He himself, and several surrogates, will shitpost about girls or owners who refuse to work with him attempting to show he has the power to effect their bottom lines and reputations. His time for such shenanigans is fading, most are on to his tired act, and he has his eggs in his failing faux semi-legit new spa that offers more holistic level services. Anyhow, I appreciate your annoyance, and find many promoters tiresome, but most of these shops are owner operated, run by female immigrants who see value in some promotion and bumping on their threads. Real predators, or pimps as you term them, are not involved in the asian wellness corner of spa world. Now, many in-call agencies are pimp run, and some like moon waiting disappeared after being charged with human trafficking. There was a surfeit of korean run places with dozens of younger girls in rotation, not immigrants, girls from korea coerced and trafficked. Again, Uncle Dan krayjee can tell you about some of those as he associated with several of them back then. Disclaimer, I had a look way back when at these shops through reviews on other boards, TERB etc., and they are definitely a different kettle of fish with regards to ownership, the ladies income, and exploitation. So let's not confuse real pimps and traffickers with the relatively harmless majority of asian massage wellness set ups. Thanks for your sentiments, and happy hobbying.

 

[Davelovezcurves]

It's annoying that's why I call out the few I can figure out

MBC is one who posts for Purple sugar spa and the one spa.. along with a few other Asian spas. Then guys who actually go complain because these shops advertise as GFE OR PSE. meanwhile there asian fuck shops where all you here.

You cum now ?
Did you cum yet ?

They don't care fuck and get out. Yet people like that dick are promoting spas with shit service

 

[Ambler]

It's annoying that's why I call out the few I can figure out

MBC is one who posts for Purple sugar spa and the one spa.. along with a few other Asian spas. Then guys who actually go complain because these shops advertise as GFE OR PSE. meanwhile there asian fuck shops where all you here.

You cum now ?
Did you cum yet ?

They don't care fuck and get out. Yet people like that dick are promoting spas with shit service

I hear you. There is a certain vulgarity and depressing vibe involved with the full service places. I actually wandered into a few in my early hobbying days. It takes a bit of experience to filter out the noise and find some good shops where you get a decent massage and an enjoyable time and walk out happy. That's why I am strictly a semi-legit guy, and it was E & M that introduced me to a fulfilling experience where I didn't feel cringe about meeting a need that is part of being human. The boss there still runs a tight shop with great attendants. Here let me promote the places I have felt respected and that my time and money was well spent: Bellagio great boss cast varies from time to time in depth of quality (despite annoying promoter using fake accounts to talk back and forth with himself), Shangri La, great boss and ladies and clean shop despite JIminy and krayjee bumping, Sentosa Bay ultra clean and decent owner using DareDevil as promoter. Going to check out Lavender because a non-promoter guy gave me some good intel elsewhere, and the owner is an old pro with a good cast of ladies. If you post fairly about your experiences it is surprising the number of DMs from regular avid hobbyists that will arrive with decent suggestions.

 

[Dotanuki]

I hear you. There is a certain vulgarity and depressing vibe involved with the full service places. I actually wandered into a few in my early hobbying days. It takes a bit of experience to filter out the noise and find some good shops where you get a decent massage and an enjoyable time and walk out happy. That why I am strictly a semi-legit guy, and it was E & M that introduced me to a fulfilling experience where I didn't feel cringe about meeting a need that is part of being human. The boss there still runs a tight shop with great attendants. Here let me promote the places I have felt respected and that my time and money was well spent: Bellagio great boss cast varies from time to time in depth of quality (despite annoying promoter using fake accounts to talk back and forth with himself), Shangri La, great boss and ladies and clean shop despite JIminy and krayjee bumping, Sentosa Bay ultra clean and decent owner using DareDevil as promoter. Going to check out Lavender because a non-promoter guy gave me some good intel elsewhere, and the owner is an old pro with a good cast of ladies. If you post fairly about your experiences it is surprising the number of DMs from regular avid hobbyists that will arrive with decent suggestions.

Not all Full Service places are the same that is for sure. The general principle in regards to service I have seen is that the younger the girl, the less enjoyable the service especially with non Chinese or Chinese that are westernized. But as always, exceptions to the established norm exist. Contrary to advertising these women aren't doing this for fun, it's for money PERIOD. However most are service oriented and believe in the fair trade of compensation for appropriate service rendered which does include the fantasy component. The Chinese are adept at this.

I have done my fair share of "advertising" or writing a review or two for girls I know. This is always for free as I provide other services for the girls so it's just good business relations to do so. There are some out there that range from mildly amusing (or annoying) to down right evil. Seen it myself, so called "promotors" sitting their fat asses in the office doing nothing but harassing girls and invading their privacy. Spoke to one of them on a occasion and ask why is "x" here, she said, "I have no clue, annoying"....(of course we were speaking Mandarin).

If your experience conflicts with the ads (that goes for a girl and the place they work), move on until it does. They're out there to be sure

 

[Nandor De Laurentis]

 

[charon]

promoters and shills are basically ugly disgusting people who wouldn't be able to get with women otherwise, end of story. They exploit and take advantage of spa workers who can't speak English under the pretense of helping to promote them to shameless get free sexual services from these workers.

A bunch of disgusting maggots these shills/promoters are and they know who they are.

 

[Ambler]

promoters and shills are basically ugly disgusting people who wouldn't be able to get with women otherwise, end of story. They exploit and take advantage of spa workers who can't speak English under the pretense of helping to promote them to shameless get free sexual services from these workers.

A bunch of disgusting maggots these shills/promoters are and they know who they are.

Ferryman, guys who wouldn't be able to get with woman without paying make up a good percentage of the clientele and demand that allows a lot of these ladies to do quite well financially. My estimate is that the ladies do better income wise than a two thirds majority of their customers. Count the number of spas, supply meet demand, free enterprise wondrously provides an entire industry. Are some guys promoting here creeps, yes sir. Are a few exploitative, probably. But again, the vast majority of the promoters here are paid nothing or peanuts compared to what the spas bring in monthly. Less than the pennies on the eyes on the ferryman's skiff crossing the river styx for the final journey to oblivion. As for them being ugly disgusting people, that could well be. The only one I have seen in the flesh, and leprous flesh it was, was uglier on the inside than his already horrid visage. Talking about you Uncle Dan @krayjee. But in general, I would hazard to guess that they are representative of the hobbyists that they purport to inform. Hobby wisely, and don't see the world in extremes, nuance is a perception that will help you deal with the world this side of Hades.

 

[bathorst]

The Toronto Spa promoters are small older guys.
None look like Puffy Daddy or Suga Knight
In summary: the pimps are shrimps

 

[Al27]

Ferryman, guys who wouldn't be able to get with woman without paying make up a good percentage of the clientele and demand that allows a lot of these ladies to do quite well financially. My estimate is that the ladies do better income wise than a two thirds majority of their customers.

That is probably true about income, but I think it just means the majority of the clients are ordinary middle-class men, most just wouldn't admit to going to these places. There wouldn't be so many massage parlours without so many of these regular guys patronizing

 

[Bustanut]

I've often wondered how these pimps ingratiate themselves with the various spas in the city. How is it that about a dozen or so "promoters" have aligned themselves with so many spas almost all of which are Asian spas.

Recently I came across a thread for a somewhat new spa or possibly a rebranded spa. The thread appears to be run by the someone at the spa itself. Maybe with the help of a friend. After posting their daily schedule for a short time in a professional manner wouldn't you know it but one of the usual suspects arrives on the scene and begins to add to the daily schedule posting with a follow up post. Nothing of any significance. Mindless BS basically. This goes on for a short time and then suddenly the wannabe pimp stops posting! What happened? Couldn't get the spa to sign on for their pointless BS? And guess what! Soon after another of these pimps arrives on the scene to add their "helpful" contributions to the thread but they too disappear before long! Another failed attempt to live off the avails of sex workers. Basically exploiting immigrant women who don't know better than to tell these losers to piss off! This spa continues to post daily without the assistance of the spa mafia. It can be done.

The original philosopher pimp almost seems quaint compared to the new fangled pimps stalking the spas now (when he is not making racist generalizations about the clientele visiting the spas he promotes).

I get, in the words of Oscar Wilde, that the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about but do these pimps actually help the various spas that they shake down? It seems that every "promoted" spa thread ends up being a flame war between the pimps and competing pimps or between pimps and paying clients.

There are very few actual reviews if you ignore the pimp reviews. I assume that these pimps understand that their reviews are meaningless do they not? Maybe not as one pimp often links his own reviews in the daily update. We don't need another review about an attendant who "is not tip hungry". Of course they're tip hungry! That is why they are there.

Before anyone says that these pimps are not hurting anyone you should ask the women directly. I know of one pimp who visits the spa and sits with the attendants in the waiting area all while feeling up the women who are too afraid to speak up for fear of reprimand by the offending pimp (negative reviews under a different name).

I think people should think twice about visiting spas that "employ" these "promoters" and try to visit these women at a spa not being exploited by the chicken hawks.

Great post!

Imo, There is no need for promoters anymore. Majority of them just post schedules and pictures. Say the same shit over and over. Use their other aliases to talk to themselves in the chat.

Recommendations don’t mean much because they have to say all good things and the jons who go in expect the same. Then get hit with the good ol ymmv.

Owners should just learn how to post schedules and pictures themselves.

 

[2lateinlife]

Great post!

Imo, There is no need for promoters anymore. Majority of them just post schedules and pictures. Say the same shit over and over. Use their other aliases to talk to themselves in the chat.

Recommendations don’t mean much because they have to say all good things and the jons who go in expect the same. Then get hit with the good ol ymmv.

Owners should just learn how to post schedules and pictures themselves.

Seems to me , you have to watch your Ps and Qs on this site , honesty is obviously not the best policy on here ..oh well

 

[Bustanut]

Seems to me , you have to watch your Ps and Qs on this site , honesty is obviously not the best policy on here ..oh well

Yeah bro, Fkn wack. You come with an honest review like the op said and you get attacked by the promoter, his groupies and his other aliases.