Is the End Near?

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Mimi, Pink, Nan Cho, Bellagio, Oceanside Etc. Seems the City is crushing the spas. Is the end near? Is this the end of the line for the fun?

Say it ain't so!
 
but nothing like what is happening right now. time will tell, and we'll see how the lawsuit against the city by several of the amps works out. the tactics being used by the city right now, although possibly illegal, have been effective. at least 15 amps have closed in the last 1-2 years. not all for the same reasons, but still very saddening. i know some details about raids on Pink & Nan Cho in the last year that are pretty scary. Oceanside is closed because the city complained about their sign... the same sign they have had for 5 years. landlords are being threatened. and on and on...

the city's efforts to close them down was even detailed recently in an article in D Magazine.

hopefullly the amps CAN fight city hall. but it costs money. and time.

JPdM
 
That's the city using our resources for non violent activities! They need to get a handle on these streets!
 
As with the demise of the amps on the north end of Emerald several years ago the city seems to target most of their efforts on the most visible of the amps. By most visible I mean those easily seen by the general non-hobbying public when driving by on major traffic arteries and/or those surrounded by many more mainstream non-hobby related business establishments who complain about their existence. They're probably going to have to modify their business plan to something more under the radar in the not too distant future if what we now know as amps are to survive in the long haul. Set up shop in non descript business parks or near other adult oriented businesses with little or no signage, operating out of apts, etc... more and more popular amp girls will surely go the indy route over time.

It's been transitioning for some time now if you think about it. How many Asian indies were there 5 years ago? How many former amp girls are indy now?
 
Not to rain on anyone's parade as I love the AMPs as much as the next guy, but we have to remember that they promote several illegal acts that are of major concern. There are several spas who pay for some girls who are brought across the border's illegally, some are brought with the hope of doing legitimate work and sending money back to their familes only to have to work for/with us to pay off their debt. All the spas and all the girls partake in tax evasion costing us all millions of dollars in tax receipts. Don't get me wrong, I love the creampies offered by many, but if we truly look at it objectively we have illegal entrants, human trafficking and tax evasion. This is a concern for the government. Just some thinking out loud.
 
Also you have to look at it this way, a lot of these girls come from california to earn money for college, that is the only way they can afford to go.
 
Asianmaster, donโ€™t believe everything you read about human trafficking and sex slavery. A few anecdotal examples make good material for B movies and MSNBC documentaries, but the real facts donโ€™t come close to supporting the claims of Melissa Farley and her followers.

Maybe we should start a legal defense fund for the amps.

JPdM is correct on one other point - this is not part of a NORMAL cycle. This crusade is being lead by a band of disciples of extreme feminism, who believe they have been put on Earth to โ€œrescue the exploited victims of these evil placesโ€. So far they have not been able to use the legal system to accomplish their mission, so they are trying to go around the law by bullying and intimidating the landlords and property owners. In other cases, these crusaders are using vague generalities in parts of the city code to get a favorable administrative decision while denying business owners due-process. Eventually, this will be resolved in the courts, but itโ€™s going to be a long hard slog and there are no guarantees of the outcome.

In the meantime in order to survive, all the amps are going to have to make some changes to their business model. The bureaucrats and crusaders, working together with le have figured out that once theyโ€™ve paid the door fee (i.e. $40/$60), any physical contact, including a simple pat on the shoulder, is justification to write a โ€œno massage licenseโ€ ticket. Never mind that the ticket will probably be dismissed when it finally gets to court; as far as the city is concerned, thereโ€™s no such thing as โ€œinnocent until proven guiltyโ€. The city code provides that on a single allegation, the administrative official may revoke the businessesโ€™ certificate of occupancy thus making it technically illegal (fines up to $1,000 per day) for them to be open. The cityโ€™s actions have been appealed to State District and Federal Court, but while this is being sorted out, the amp owners need to rethink how the are going to operate their businesses.
 
Went to eat at the sushi bar next to Oceanside this afternoon. People were carrying things out of Oceanside today, looked like tables,lamps etc. Looks like Oceanside may be done
 
Never cared too much one way or the other about these things until several years ago I was involved in an actual, real-life documentary that took me from Korea to Dallas and several stops in between and then most recently several months ago I found myself on a similar train. I, like many of you, have gotten to know many of these girls very closely and several of them intimately, and the sad thing is that these things do exist and I must say that it has hit me again and the only people we have to blame is ourselves (I know, it gets back to the chicken or the egg). But without us these girls would not have a place to work and the spa owners would not be able to exploit these girls to the tune of millions of dollars a year. THe working girls would not feel they have no other choice but to fuck to pay for college, or take care of their families, or be tricked into working as a whore to pay back the broker who sold them. Anyway, I'm at fault myself so I will take this time to sign off and wish you all the best of luck.
 
If the AMP paid legitimate business income taxes........

If the John paid 'pleasure taxes'..............

Then we wouldn't be having this conversation. We get taxed for everything else - no reason not to add my FBSM+GFE to the mix

Certainly a lot more complicated than my statement, but I feel like being a smart-ass today.
 
Suite270 you've hit on something, taxes/revenue. Sometime in the near future, maybe 7 to 10 years when the the federal/state & local governments have to find more revenue, legislation will pass legalizing and regulating prostitution and pot. There's no new money coming from traditional sources, these will be the next big government revenue sources.
 
Does not sound like good news for Oceanside. I stopped by on Friday when I saw the doors open and talked to two of the house mamasan's. They said that they would be open again this week and all of the regulars would be there as well. Perhaps wishful thinking on their part. Hopefully they are just remodeling during the down time. Somehow I doubt it but... hopefully.

BTW axl how was the sushi?
 
In my experience, the AMPS need to buy some more tickets to the Policeman's Ball, or something like that.

I remember Valentine's Day in the evening, I was going to meet some people at Jaguar's, and there were cops on almost every corner of Northwest Hwy.

I would think the city could use its resources better than that.

If you use history as a guide, prostitution has long been tolerated in Texas, and I just don't see it going away anytime soon. But, Houston and Dallas are two of the last cities where storefronts thrive. Storefronts are pretty much history in most of the West Coast (at least ones of quality) and elsewhere. All they did was move to large apartment complexes.
 
Oceanside is NOT closed for good. They are just waiting for paperwork.
 
dude please, don't start in on that, i doubt i've met 1 maybe 2 amp girls outta the hundreds i've seen that didn't know exactly what they were coming here for. Millions? not. these owners aren't making anywhere near the kind of money the newshounds would want you to think. most of the girls aren't either. it's like a top salesman in many industries, there's the top 10 percent making big bucks, about 50-60% making good but not major bucks and the bottom feeders who wash out. is it a multi-million dollar industry? yeah but that's cumulative. you don't see Bentleys and ferraris parked outside the amps, unless it's some rich dude.

without doubt the cities are abusing the statutes, remember the fine crap a few years back? total shit. just because some cop sees you walking out of an amp doesn't mean anything illegal happened.

income tax evasion? perhaps, but you'll find way more tax evaders in corporate america. if you really want to rant about income tax evasion round up the 10 million illegal wetbacks in this country and make them indentured servants. tax them double to refund the ultimate ponzi scam, social security (sic) which is projected to go broke right about the time i'll be old enough to start getting it, if i live that long.

yeah i'm drunk and i just want some kgirl love!
 
Wasn't sure if I should respond to you or not as I do not think this thread should continue but, what the heck, might as well. Waco, appreciate your comments but clearly you have neither had any relationships with any of the couple hundred working girls you've been with over the years nor have you taken time to sit down to talk with many of the owners and therefore have never banked any of their business. If you have time to do this in the future, you may want to inquire as to which cities are the most lucrative for the girls and then find out how many of the owners have several "shops" across the country. No disrespect meant, but your naiveness is refreshing. No harm, no foul. Happy days are here again.
 
how would you know? better still how would we know you are the all-wise all-knowing allfather of amps? if you content these girls are exploited i say as others have here the vast majority know full well what the biz entails. i guess you'd have us all believe rather naively every amp owner rakes in millions. now that's naive.
 
I love the AMPs. I would hate to see them all go.

The way that AMPS allow their operations to become so high profile has always astounded me. Big neon business signs, flashing open signs at 4:00 AM, etc.

I'm sure we all remember the freaking billboard on I-35 with an arrow pointing down to North Emerald. Then they're stunned and upset when the city rolls up one day to shut them down. I mean, who could have seen that coming???

I think that greed overrides common sense in most of these cases. The modified business model someone else mentioned might be a good idea to the benefit of all, both establishments and their patrons.

To those who know the people who run these places. Advise them that if they're out in the open and it's obvious what they are, then it is a matter of when, not if, they will be shut down.
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Suki deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in th
  28. See You Health Center:
    Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Sexy tight body amazing C cups with Those incredible nipples Sami Gorgeous Model Type CBC Vietnamese School Girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ416-988-2950
  29. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Elena young Vietnamese sweetheart girl has plump lips, flawless glory skin, D cup, dark hair, Gorgeous face, Victoria Secret body type with amazing personality. Myra She is Korean Very Petite School Girl Naturally Curved Body Nice Tight Sexy Ass โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  30. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Sexy Slim Chinese Jasmine & Young Sexy Chinese Tina
  31. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: For Saturday December 28, 2024, our attendants will be Opal ๐Ÿ˜˜, Vicky ๐Ÿ”ฅ, Lucy โค๏ธ and Ivy ๐Ÿ‘Œ Enjoy! And don't forget, our promotion starts tomorrow!! Call 905-479-6668 to book, and remember to get your raffle ticket from reception!
  32. New Oriental Health Centre:
    ๐Ÿซฆ Coco & Ada are in today ๐Ÿ“žCall ๐Ÿ“ฒ Text: (647) 381-2688 ๐ŸซฆCoco is a young sexy Taiwanese girl ๐Ÿซฆ Ada is a sexy European Hottie ๐Ÿ‘„ All Our Girls Provide Lots of E X T R A S & are Extremely Open-Minded ๐Ÿค—We're Open from 8am til Late Everyday! Drop in to Unit 26, 10 East Wilmot Street, Richmond Hill.
  33. New spring spa@:
    โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅsexy hot busty ๐ŸŒธCanadian๐ŸŒธJapanese ๐ŸŒธKorean ๐ŸŒธgirls working at Markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ
  34. Sparkling Spa:
    โšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸSPARKLING SPAโšก๏ธ๐ŸŒŸ โœ…50 Lockridge Ave Unit 8โœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒMarkham, ON L3R 8X4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 604-8186 Spa Land Lineโ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (437) 446-6688 NEW Spa Cell Phoneโ˜Ž๏ธ (West of Warden & 16th Ave) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅSUPERSTAR SERVICE QUEENS AVAILABLE AT SPARKLING SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅSEXY NEW YOUNG GIRLS ALWAYS WORKING - Todayโ€™s Schedule isโ€ฆ๐Ÿ”ฅ Jennifer -๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜A talented and graceful new massage girl from Taiwan, offering a trul
  35. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Sexy Slim Chinese Jasmine & Young Sexy Chinese Tina
  36. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday๐Ÿ…,service queen Jessica friendly nice girl,providing deep tissue massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…,New girl CiCi is very good looking,big breasted service excellent massage help fatigued and stress๐ŸŽ…nice Vietnamese girl Amy very popular,she know the man,give you warm time๐Ÿฅฐ
  37. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Grace๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜A new alluring and skilled Asi
  38. JerryWangWw:
    Suko spa every day have 6 to 7 Different style girls working here please call 905-597-8880 ๐Ÿ’‹ ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿคฉ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿคช๐Ÿ˜˜
  39. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Ivy , Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Jessica ,Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary . ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard Ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  40. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Mia ,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivi,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  41. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Today๐ŸŒธMaria๐ŸŒธSelina๐ŸŒธAletta๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธIsabella Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  42. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Meet๐ŸŒธMei๐ŸŒธKim๐ŸŒธTinaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  43. HollywoodSpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: TRACY & MICHICO. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care and your visit will be a fulfilling one. Nice Massage, Young Pretty Girls. We have Chinese, Japanese, Korean & other attendants. TRACY is a slim, taller & pretty lady, very friendly with an extensive menu. MICHICO is a young slim, beautiful
  44. ASPA:
    ๐—™๐—ฅ๐—œ๐——๐—”๐—ฌ ๐—ฎ๐˜ ๐—” ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”: ๐—”๐—บ๐˜† & ๐—ฏ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜ ๐—บ๐—ฎ๐˜€๐˜€๐—ฎ๐—ด๐—ฒ ๐—ฅ๐—ฎ๐—ฐ๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—น ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐€ ๐’๐๐€๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ, 28 South Unionville Ave, Unit 5, Markham. ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ๐—–๐—ฎ๐—น๐—น ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฒ ๐—ผ๐—ฟ ๐˜๐—ฒ๐˜…๐˜ ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿต-๐Ÿฑ๐Ÿต๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿ…ฐ๏ธ AMY is young and very friendly, standing 158 Cms. with 34C Cups and a very nice bum. Amy is a very popular student, young, sexy, and open minded. She is in demand for her good massage
  45. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 girls are working today, young fun Ivy 36DD with big buttocks open mind and cute Tina with curve body open mind, sweet GFE Lina and sexy Coco are providing deep tissue and sensual massage, pls call 416-3985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ : Lisa, Mia & Sasa. Lisa is a young, slim, friendly & very beautiful Vietnamese beauty with a nice body, nice 34D boobs, slim waist, impressive booty, nice massage, great services. Mia is a Caribbean service queen temptress with incredible curves & very friendly attitude. She is able to bbbj like a queen
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: LINA & CINDY. LINA is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit. Her services are among the best!
  48. SugarLoveSpa:
    Friday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜:ELLA, LUCY & LUNA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. LUCY is a cute young Vietnamese girl, 5โ€™1โ€, 50Kgs, with a full range of services available. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty
  49. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 9 hot brown girls Friday ๐ŸŒธ MALIYA, DIYA, SALMA, AMANDA, ANGELINA, SARA, NUR ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  50. lotushubspa:
    Hi, ๐Ÿ’‹Louts๐Ÿ’‹ recommends the best female masseuse to customers today, Anna๐Ÿ’‹ from China, Helen๐Ÿ’‹ from Taiwan, ๐Ÿ’ฏCoco๐Ÿ’‹ from South Korea, living at 10737 Yonge St Unit13. Please contact 9052375885โ˜Ž๏ธ or SMS 4163565876, ๐Ÿ’‹Thank you
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