Paris swing club update

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What the hell this has to do with club in Paris??? Where only 60 yrs old senior go.

 

[justm399]

that asian girl youre fucking, may not be a girl after all


Indonesian 'waria' prostitute fulfills dreams in Gay Paree
I. Christianto, Contributor, Paris

With her nice and neat looks, she does have the appearance of a fashionable, cosmopolitan woman. At 172 cm (5'8") and 60 kg (132 pounds) with a great "boob-job", she is quite attractive; and she fits well into the whole Paris scene, one of the world's cities of lights.

She has heavy dark black hair, swinging down to her shoulders. Her gestures and manners are feminine and elegant, though one can still see the masculine lines in her face.

"Just call me 'La Fayette' (Fay). There is no need to mention where I am from or other things related to my origins. I don't want to make any troubles in my life just because of my experiences as an Indonesian transvestite in Paris," she says, politely but firmly.

La Fayette is the name of one of the leading department stores in Paris, which is regarded as a must visit for most foreign tourists in the city. The store was so busy on this day, a weekend in the middle of July.

Fay was willing to do an interview in the department store's food court where at that hour many people were having lunch. Many eyes were directed at her as she walked in, took a seat and waived her left hand to a waiter asking for a drink list.

"No thanks, I am not eating anything, I have to keep my shape and lose a bit of weight. I used to be 55 kilograms," she says, adding that she had spent 4,000 euros to get her breasts done in June for a better look.

She then took out her brand-name wallet from another famous brand-name purse to take out some cash, but "Andy", her partner who was in tow as well, said that he would pay.

Fay also owns the latest cellular phone, which she occasionally used for text messaging or a quick chat. She wears a bit of makeup on her face, to go along with some classy perfume. Meanwhile, several of her fingers in both hands are decorated with luxurious, fancy rings. She indeed has all the material trappings of an established, beautiful mature woman living happily with her family.

But life was not so friendly to her in the first six months after her initial arrival in Paris in early 2002.

"Well, I've never denied that I am a waria (wanita-pria, the Indonesian term for transvestite) and that I came here for a better life by prostituting. I was prepared to take any risks for that (to make more money and get brand-name trinkets). When I first found out I could go to Paris, I certainly looked for further information and took the opportunity. I did understand that I had to be a prostitute even though I'd never done that before. I didn't mind at that time."


Fay reiterated that her primary reason for coming to Paris was to improve her life financially and find what she believed would be a better life, and, if possible, live together with the right non-Indonesian guy she loves. "I had bad experiences in my past two relationships with Indonesian guys, so I am not interested in getting emotionally involved with any Indonesian ever again"

So she went to Paris to achieve her dreams, by prostituting.

"Together with a friend who was ready to do the same, I arrived in Paris in one morning in mid-February 2002 and went directly to "work" later that night. It was winter and my first time in Europe. It was really hard, but I could tolerate it and got used to it after a few days," she says with her great smile.

The two of them, she continues, were, at that time, the fourth batch sent by a pimp/agent in Jakarta and they were told to work in the area of Boulevard Ney, a location popular for prostitutes of any races in Paris.

"Upon my arrival, there had been several Indonesian transvestites in Paris working as prostitutes on the boulevard. There are several 'areas' reserved for Indonesians, otherwise we have to fight with other prostitutes for the strategic spots to attract customers."

"It was even harder as I we had to compete with real women on the boulevard. But, I think I got lucky, because I could always get customers and earn money to pay my daily loan installments to someone in Paris who would later send the money to Jakarta, to the pimp who prepared everything for my trip to Paris."

Fay says that she got her ticket, passport and Schengen visa arranged by another transvestite residing in the Tanjung Duren area in West Jakarta. Fay also stayed for a while at her place in Tanjung Duren for various training sessions, which included such things as how to work, behave and attract customers; living and surviving in Paris, as well as a briefing on where to stay and eat during the first six months in the city.

"As I'd never been prostituting, I had to 'practice' several times in the Taman Lawang area of Jakarta. It was also hard because by early 2002, I'd just been living in Jakarta for three years, working at a beauty salon," she says, stressing that deep down in her heart, she would never think of becoming a prostitute.

For the Paris arrangement, Fay had to repay US$8,700 to the pimp in Jakarta. But luckily, she says, there was not a signed contract between them. Additionally, Fay also paid another $1,000 to someone in Paris who claimed to be an assistant of the Jakarta pimp during the working period.

"In total I had to pay $9,700 during my stay in Paris, with a visa valid for 180 days. There was no break defined, meaning I had to work every night from 7 or 8 p.m. until 6 a.m. Meanwhile, each night I was required to pay a 160-euro (about $200) installment to the assistant," she adds.

Such an amount, somehow, was not that difficult to earn for Fay, who would do certain sexual acts for different prices, ranging from 25 euro to 50 euros for each. She normally serviced several customers a night, in order to make some profit after paying the 160 euros.

Fay managed to pay off the loan in less than 50 days. She could have, afterwards, saved all of her income in her remaining 130 working days if she wanted to continue working the street every night.

"Yes. Basically, the calculation was like that. In terms of the total earnings, it was really tempting, you know", she admits.

But the scenario did not work out that way.

"One night, after three months working in Paris, there was a serious argument between the assistant and I over a misunderstanding. The assistant was not friendly to anybody. She slapped me and treated me inhumanely. So I decided that night to leave the hotel where we (the Indonesian transvestites) always stayed. At the time, I'd already met Andy several times," Fay recalls.

She says she had had the idea to quit prostituting much earlier after experiencing harassment and petty crimes during her time on Boulevard Ney.

"Once I was taken by a black guy into an isolated area. I was tied down and forced to watch him taking drugs while he masturbated. It was really a traumatic experience. Another nightmare was when I was taken by a guy, a Middle Easterner. I was forced to get out of his car somewhere in the suburbs in the dark after servicing him."

"There was another occasion when my Indonesian friend and I were fighting with two men in a hotel room as they wanted to rob us. We tried to defend ourselves and screamed as loud as we could. The men ran away because they were afraid of other hotel guests hearing the fight and calling the police."

Fay says after the fierce argument with the assistant in Paris, she went to see Andy and told him about her decision to quit working.

"At that time Andy had approached me. I consulted with him and said I was ready to quit my career as a prostitute if he really loved me and was ready to take good care of me. He accepted and we were soon living together."

Fay and Andy are now living together legally under the PaCT, an act in France which offers legal status to all unmarried, heterosexual or homosexual couples. After they signed the PaCT in November 2002 and Fay got a permanent job as a baby sitter in September 2004 life seemed much easier for them, particularly for Fay. They hope their life together will last long while they are also ready to face any challenges in the future.

"Sure some challenges are always there. Among other things is the possible threat from the people I still owe money to. My physical sexuality may also be a challenge. I originally never intended to get rid of my male genitalia. But I am now ready to undertake a sex-change surgery only for Andy. It's just a matter of time," says Fay who was born in 1969.

Andy eventually sees his life and the future in a more relaxed way.

"I know I am 'married' to a transvestite. Most people in the world regard transvestitism as taboo because in 'natural' life there are only men and women. So did I. But my way of thinking has changed. Step by step, I understand more about love and life, regardless of gender. I think people may have different ways of thinking and a clearer picture of certain issues when they get older. Now I am thinking more about love, heart and affection, which I find with Fay, rather than sex."

He also explains that he does not consider himself a homosexual.


He says he fell in love with an Indonesian transvestite before he met Fay. "I met her and thought she was a real woman. At that time I started to change my way of thinking that sex or gender is not the most important thing but heart and love. We had a relationship and I went with her to Jakarta several years ago. But the relationship didn't last long. I returned to Paris and later met Fay."

Andy, who is in his mid-forties, says that he wants to spend the rest of his life with Fay in Indonesia after retiring from his job in France; just like Fay's dream.

The writer can be contacted at: innocent@uninet.net.id


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[Elana A]

I was in Paris a couple of weeks ago with a Sunday afternoon to kill. After visiting a few swing club online directories (there must be at least 100 clubs in Paris alone) I settled on l'Hyppocampe (it means sea-horse), a club that advertises itself as a hammam (Turkish bath)/sauna swing club. It is in the northeast part of Paris in the 20th arrondissement, not far from P

 

[POTUS]

OK, as a past benefactor of the mpnet I figured that i owed it a posting of my latest experience in france.

I recently traveled to France and had a couple of days in Paris by myself with which to explore. Having read the post below in the archives I was eagar to check out some of the swing clubs, or club echangiste, in Paris and to compare them to some experiences I had had in Los Angeles.

Swing clubs in Paris as noted below are generally open to single men in the afternoon/evening usually between 2-8. I was staying near the Louve in an area that I had intentionally chossen to be close to some of these clubs, but the ones that I checked out were all easily accessable from the subway with a walk of several blocks or less. Another item of note, for the tourist, is that there is a dress code 9of sorts) so if you are out tooling about Paris on a hot summer day wearing shorts and sandles, you can forget getting in.

The standard proceedure is to ring the intercom on the outside of the locked door and wait to be let in. I never had to speak into the intercom, but on two out of three occasions I was met at the door by a gentleman who looked me over to assess my appearance. My French is abysmal, but I was still able to communicate sufficiently to get the job done and it did not inhibit my success.

I successfully visited two of the clubs mentioned below. Le Triangle located on Rue d'Argenteuil was the first (Now called Lil-Abys) and as I walked by it the first time I noticed waht appeare to me to be a street walker come out and mill about outside. This led to some aprehension on my part given what I had read about the skin show traps in Piggale, was this actually a brothel? I was looking to check out the echangiste scene which I envisioned as much different than a brothel. I was relieved. After ringing the door I paid the entrance fee, (30-40 Euros I can't remember exactly), and was led downstairs by the guy running the place who directed me to the back room where there was a petite lady (probably a 7) dressed in her lingerie servicing two guys. She was probably in her late 40's and one of the men was her partner (husband?) She would blow one of the guys and then alternate back to her partner who was obviously getting off by sharing her. She was limiting her service to blow jobs w/ condoms and some hand action, and frankly she wasn't that good, but it was a turn on to be involved and I watched her get three guys off, including myself before her partner laid her out on the table there and fucked her while we all stood over her while she sucked us as we caressed her breasts. She got off and he got off and the show was over. She got dressed and they left, I sat around for another 15-20mn to see if anyone else would show up and eventually left. This was in the middle of a Tues. evening.

The second place that I checked out, La Cheminee on Rue de Fosses Saint Marcel, I actually got turned away from the first time on account of dress code and made it a point to clean up and return to. Good move on my part. This place lived up to its billing. You enter on the upper level and, after the customary once over, you leave something of collateral, a wallet, a cell phone, etc. at the front. The purpose of this procedure has something to do with the fact that you pay when you leave and the amount that you owe has something to do with how long you have been there, although it was unclear to me. I was there about an hour, maybe a little more and it cost me 40 Euros (I think). So, after submitting your collateral and getting your claim check, you are free to roam the place, most of which is downstairs. There were more guys at this place than at the last and more women as well. the main action took place in a large square room downstairs with couches on three sides. The women, there were three-five active at any one time, were taking on guys one at a time and this time the only limits appeared to be the use of condoms. There was one couple there where the guy was playing sort of a monitor as to who was next or who would get to play, but the other women were all apparently solo and picking their next on their own. I'm not a big sword fight guy so I held back to watch a little and was "eyed" into action by an older woman (probably in her 50's). Once I/She got her dress off there was some tit play (They were huge) and then I gave here a tounge bath. She then got a condom on me, and I fucked her well before finishing in her mouth and hand. When I was finished I took a shower in the facilities while she took on the next guy.

In both places, the women were not turning anyone away, if you could get it hard, get a condom on it, and wait your turn, you were welcome. I suspect that this has something to do with the screening process at the front door (there were no homeless bums present). The other common thing was the age of the participants, typically they were in their 40's or 50's and they were enthusiastic. They were not little blonds stopping by on their way home from the beach. In both cases, it was well worth the entrance fee.

I'll stop going on for now and leave this post with the attached (original) post below. if anyone else has similar experiencem, in Paris or elsewhere, I would love to hear.

A big thanks to Frederic for the original post!

Arthur



Date: Wed, 17 Apr 1996 13:59:32 UTC

Paris Swinger Clubs V1.7b

By Frederic, a nice guy in Paris.

100345.1765@compuserve.com


PLEASE NOTE:
The information hereafter is subject to change at any time.
All prices are in French Francs unless otherwise stated.
This article is provided as is without any express or implied
warranties. While every effort has been taken to ensure the
accuracy of the information contained in this article, the
author assumes no responsibility for errors or omissions,
or for damages resulting from the use of the informations
contained herein.


Hi from Paris everybody (it means: be indulgent with my
poor English!

As I know that the members of this nempnetroup
are interested in various sexual behaviors, I have to share
with you my recent experiences, & tips too...

Yes, a trip to Paris have to be prepared and a lot of nice
"places to go" are not listed in the various official touristic
guides.
In saying "places to go" I mean this kind of clubs where
people of the both sex are welcome to do the things they do
not dare to do elsewhere. In French we say "club
echangiste" or "club de rencontre", or "club a partouze"
which I translated by SWINGER CLUBS .

The principle is quite simple: you come & you are
free to share (& to be shared by) your boyfriend, girlfriend,
husband, wife etc... with the other attendees .You are also
free to look only. As soon as you respect the few basic
rules of politness, safe sex & "do not put your shoes on the
couch!" you will be able to spend a marvelous afternoons or evenings.
I use to visit them since few years & I met nice people
of both sex (just one detail: I am definitively heterosexual,
unfortunately maybe!) and I spent marvelous moments with free
minded persons.

After this too long introduction here are the address and
my comments. Just 1 comment : all of these clubs are
heterosexual & all the price I give are for single males
in the afternoon, unless otherwise stated.
The prices are reduced for couples & women (about 1/2).
Call them directly if you need additional informations.

You will find at the end of this guide the extract of
a posting about a swinger club in Las Vegas.
The author of this article describes in a very clever way
the way you have to act in this kind of club. He gave these
rules for the club he visited but I think they apply
in every swinger clubs. I chose to copy it as I think
his remarks are wise and because his language is better
than mine (I am not really English fluent)


*Le Dany's Club:
One of my favourites.
Open from 3pm to 9pm & to 11pm to the sunrise.
Single males allowed in the afternoon & in the evening .
Price: FF 180 the 1st drink, free condoms. Call for prices at night.
Address:9 rue Truffaut,75017, Paris,
33.1.42.93.04.45

*Le Prelude:
near the OPERA & Palais Royal.
Single males allowed in the afternoon from Tuesday to
Saturday, and in the evening from Sunday to
Thursday. Closed on Sunday and Monday afternoon.
Open from 16h to 20h & 23/24h to sunrise.
FF 180 the 1st drink, free condoms.
Address: 1 rue Richelieu,75001, Paris,
Phone: 33.1.42.60.31.60

*Le Triangle:
Near le Prelude
Open to single males in the afternoon , very "hot" in the
evening. Price FF 180 the 1st drink, free condoms.
From 15h to 20h, from 23H to sunrise.
Address: 13 rue d'Argenteuil,75001, Paris,
Phone: 33.1.42.61.68.28

*Le 46:
In Argenteuil, a suburb of Paris: A
very interesting club, sauna & hammam (Turkish baths).
Males allowed in the afternoon.Open from 14h to 19h & in the night.
Price is FF 180 the 1st drink, free condoms.
Address: 46 rue de la Marjolaine,95100, Argenteuil,
Phone: 33.1.39.80.45.12

*La Cheminee:
One of the most famous with the X-Bis and Chris & Manu .
Open to single males in the afternoon. Price FF 170 the 1st drink,
free condoms. From 16h to 20h, from 22h30 to sunrise.Very
hot every afternoon. Special times for single men and
couples on Wednesday and Friday nights (545 FF)
when they have about 20 couples, and allow in
20 men, but the men must make a reservation or
they will not be welcome.
Address: 11 rue des Fosses Saint Marcel, 75005, Paris,
Phone: 33.1.47.07.66.66

*L'Adam's Club:
Near Les Champs Elysees. from 14h to 20h in the
afternoon & from 24h to the sunrise, this club is
also a restaurant where it is possible to get
dinner every evening and lunch Monday and Thursday.
Price: FF 180 the 1st drink, FF 20 for 1 condom.
Address: 19 rue Brey, 75017, Paris .
Phone: 33.1.42.67.72.18

*Le Pluriel Club:
I was questioned at the entry & I did not like
that. Males allowed in the afternoon. The price is FF 180 &
you have to pay FF 10 for a condom. I do not like it but it
was a bad day maybe (just 1 female!).
Address:13 rue Francois Miron, 75004, Paris,
Phone: 33.1.40.29.07.52

*Le X-Bis:
Well-known club, friendly welcome. Single males allowed
in the afternoon but when there are enough couples here. If not, you
will have to wait. It is maybe a good thing as the price is expensive:
FF 400.
Address: 10 bis rue du Debarcadere, 75017, Paris (near
Porte Maillot).
Phone: 33 1 45 74 12 32

*Le 114:
Open to single males in the
afternoon. Free condoms. As there is a sauna
and collective showers you have to take your clothes off.
Free condoms.
Located in Boulogne, a near suburb of Paris. Phone before you go.
Address: 114 av Andri Morizet, 92100, Boulogne.
Phone: 33 1 46 99 02 06

*Le 2+2:
This club is one of the most famous in Paris. Open since 20 years.
Unfortunately it is open to couples only.
Open from noon to sunrise. This place is both a regular
club and a restaurant too. You can have a lunch from noon
to 3pm and a dinner from 8pm to 11pm. Needless to say
that you can enjoy very exciting situations in the restaurant!
Maybe the restaurant is a little bit expensive (around FF 700 for two
persons)
The price for the club is around FF 120 for a couple.
The welcome is very friendly and the 2 maids are very cute.
Address: 70 rue Lhomond, 75005, Paris.
Phone: 33 1 47 07 25 81

*L'Escapade Club.
Open since 6 months. Located in the Ile Saint Louis.
Very nice and friendly welcome, sympathetic people.
Free condoms.
Price FF 150 for single male.
Closed on Tuesday
Open from 4pm to 8pm to couples and single males.
Open from 9pm to sunrise for couple only
Special 3some evening on Wenesday evening: in this
instance single males have to do a reservation by phone (price FF 300
for
single males)
Address: 8, rue Le Regrattier, 75004, Paris.
Phone: 33 1 43 25 76 93

*Chris & Manu.
Open to couples only, near Hotel de Ville
Lot of hot people, specially on Friday and Saturday nights.
The club opens at 10:30pm.
Price for the club: FF 380 for a couple (with 2 drinks included)
There is also a restaurant, open from 8:30pm. I did not test the
restaurant.
Closed on Sunday and Monday
Address: 5, rue Saint Bon, 75004, Paris
Phone: 33 1 42 72 52 18




For sure, in all these clubs there are more males than females in the
afternoon but 3 men for a woman is exciting too... I will
continue to give you other address in a near future as soon
as I will visit these other "places to go".
Please,let me know if this kind of places does exists in
the other countries, near France if possible!!!!



Frederic
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