the crackdown on sites

[mark l]

Since I talk about different sites on this thread I thought I'd talk about someone that seems to get the discussions going as mongers just love to hate Lakers, or Juan, who runs Juan's Tijuana which is now a paying Tijuana prostitution site.

He wrote the above quote on the classified section on another prostitution related site that's like this site. Many mongers have had trouble with Juan/Lakers kicking them off his site, especially now since it's a paid site.

I myself was kicked off his site many years ago for not participating enough when his site was free, and many guys got similar or worst treatment. In this forum I remember even our Country John was going at it with this Dosequis guy who wrote the above ad, who is most likely Juan, or one of his top stooges? Anyway Country John was banned from the site accused of giving others his password as Country John signed on to the site using different ISP numbers, could also be that CJ was traveling and that explained the so many differnt ISP numbers? But it was funny reading them argue about it online about a year ago, not sure if the post is still there?

I just wanted to know if any mongers here on this site has any run ins with Lakers/Juan or his site, and what happened?

 

[wellhithere]

I talked much with him, and he did plan on marrying a chica if he caught one. I did participate on a few boards, but their were little or no pimps on those sites. I still participate on one, and it does have some big name pimps on that board.

I have found the guy to be a straight shooter, and we have always had a friendly relationship. He still calls or writes occasionally.

 

[cam can help]

Killit wrote:

Yeah, I'm sure it works in some places, especially far from the US where the US is still considered a great place to work and find opportunities. But I bet for evey successful scam guys pull over prostitutes, that the prostitues scam the guys 10-1? I myself talk a good game, and make up scams talking to some of these chicas who say they want to be my novia...it's a lot of fun, and I have the chica going for a little awhile, but I could never follow through.

I hear girls from some countries are offering guys from the US to marry them and will give them $10,000 dollars fior their trouble,

Sampson wrote:

Well it's a scam alright, because the pimp had no intention of gettng married, taking her to the US, and starting a business together. He was after her money, and knew she would eventually get wise, but it didn't matter because he was holding all the money, and there were other fish in the sea(bar) where he would continue running the same scam. I don't think think he was every sucessful pimping a girl in TJ, because the languange barrier, the way this guy dressed, he dressed like a black pimp in the 70's like you see in movies, or large cites in the bad part of town. The pimp actually got the bar chica go back to his place to discuss it more and she jumped in bed with the guy. I think it was a big mistake not to fuck her? I understand it's sometimes a mistake to fuck a hoe in the US, and not allow her to use her feminine charms on you, her pussy, and it throws her off as she can't figure out how to control you. But in this case, the pimp already had her in bed, mostly likely with only her panties on and he didn't have to pay her. He should have just pullled down her panties and took her. Even in a fake marriage, she want's a little attention and someone there to take care of her. I bet she went away confused in the morning, thinking "what's wrong with this guy, is he gay or what, and I bet she started getting a warning vibe, which in this case was smart.......get away from this guy?

Now I understand the pimp gets off on running the 'game' on the chica, and getting her to give him all his money....that gets him off, not fucking her. But I think culture pimping dictate he should have fucked her, and might have been successful?

What happens is after the first night the chica never returned again to the pimps apartment. I believe he probably went back to the bar, and tried to run the scam again, but was unsuccessful. I don't know for sure, but I do know the pimp left Tijuana, so that tells me he was probably unsuccessful in TJ?

The biggest mistake is not trying to share the money with the chicas and making it a win win situation, instead it becomes a lose lose situation. The second mistake was not learning the Language and culture, who know if he knew Spanish, he might have been better, but the culture thing is big too, these girls have been dirt poor all their lives, so to them, it's 'money talks, and bullshit walks." And yeah, that thing about becoming a American citizen, is nothing, too many mongers by the dine a dozen, say the same shit. It's not that big a thing to most Mexican girls, if they wanted to come to the US, they know how, and don't need a pimp or monger to marry them and take them to America.

Regarding pimps forums, I think they could offer non pimps something, you know young guys that are learning about dating, and catching hot young civilian girls. Too many guys get pussy wipped brings the girl flowers and candy, while getting treated like shit. There is something to treating the girl like you could either take her to leave her, and treating her indifferent, but that's a fine line, between being indifferent, rude, and abusive.

I think I seen the old pimp fourm that Sampson was talking about, and I think I saw a few of Sampson's old posts when he had a different handle about a baseball team? They sure talked/wrote weird things there.

 

[Stealth_Assasination]

I agree with sampson on this. the "will" of working gals in tj to go to the US is really limited compared to other women in latin america. First of all. many tijuana hos are making great money and don't want to think about drastic changes to their lives. Second, there are many coyotes stationed in tijuana that could easily bring them over for $2000. well within their earning range.
let's temember that when a mexican woman has decided to take the path of prostitution, she is really determined to stay within her country and culture. Otherwise, she would do what many mexican males do- cross the border , take a shitty low paying job in US and occationally send money to relatives.

 

[Pompal 09.]

Well I don't know if it is a scam...if the lady follows through and doesn't leave him, then I think it would work. Chances are slim of that happening.

I do know the guy, and he never had a chica working with him in Tijuana. The language barrier was too much to overcome. I think his best bet is to catch a English speaking girl, and bring her to TJ. I think he and lots of guys overestimate the "going to the US" thing. It just is not important to many chicas, where many of the Americans feel that girls will line up to marry them for the oppurtunity.

There are a lot of sites that claim pimpin', but have very few to no pimps on the site. I only know of one site with lots of pimps on it, including one that I had met in the early 90's.

 

[Fierce]

FB worte:

Here is the scam: The pimp want to approach a bar girl with a business proposal, he sits down with her in La Valentina Bar of course because the word on the street is this is where padrotes hang out, I personally don't know as I only been here a few times? So he sits down with the chica, he may or may not buy her a drink, because $7 dollars is a lot of money, and it's sets the wrong tone, but he might do it anyway to break the ice and get the girls attention.

He asks her ' how would you like to get married to me? She of course sits there stunned asking 'qué qué?"(what what?) Then he explains it will be a marriage of convenience because not only do I want a wife, but I want a business partner. Together will also open up a business in the US maybe San Diego area and we will share the profits 50/50.

The pimp believes this is a offer the Mexican chica can't pass up, because he is offering her a chance of 'US Citizenship, and everybody want to be a US citizen because this is the greatest country in the whole world, girls would jump at the chance of marrying a guy to become a US citizen, and I'm offering even more, a chance of making money running your own business.

There is only one catch. The pimp doesn't have enough money, to open that business in the US yet, The BG is still going to have to work in the bar doing tricks and making money, as both the BG and the pimp will pull their resources( money) together until they build their nest egg to bring the US to the US, get her US prized citizenship, and open the business where the money will be flowing in. The pimp forget to tell the girl, that he'll be the one holding all the money. Mad Razz

There alot of ex-military guys who do this in japan and korea.

FB:

Do you think the scam worked?

Yes it works.I know one guy who was doing this since 1997 when he gotten out of the navy.

 

[Kittie Nya! Nya!]

From Fireballs:

I think it's time for a case study like I do when I try to figure out if a monger is lying, and we take about the post and look for little inconsistencies, but in this case we are just going to look at the case and analyze what the pimp did wrong, as it's not a question if he is lying because I believe the story.

This is a story I found on a Pimp forum, where they discuss 'pimpology' If you ask me, most of the guys there aren't pimps, just fools who like to act like pimps because pimping is popular in our culture now for young kids to talk about, not that they would actually go out and try to pimp a girl. I don't know how I found the site but I did, and read some stuff on it as they had a guy there talking about TJ, I haven't been back to that site except for today as i wanted to review that post, but it's no longer there it's erased, but it's OK I have a very good memory for useless stuff that is written on these forums.

So anyway the case study is about a pimp from the US who will probably don't know, but we never know who we run into. Anyway this pimp comes to the Tijuana, he doesn't say, my guess running from the law , but you never know maybe he just wants to retire in Tijuana, and heard about the good whether and the tacos, who knows?

The pimp or ex-pimp in Mexico and TJ getting settled in and I guess he decides he wants more money, and is thinking about a part-time job, and what does he know best? Pimping of course. So he thinks up this scam to work on Mexican hookers working in bars thinking it's a genus can't miss scam, and a ticket for him to make money.

Here is the scam: The pimp want to approach a bar girl with a business proposal, he sits down with her in La Valentina Bar of course because the word on the street is this is where padrotes hang out, I personally don't know as I only been here a few times? So he sits down with the chica, he may or may not buy her a drink, because $7 dollars is a lot of money, and it's sets the wrong tone, but he might do it anyway to break the ice and get the girls attention.

He asks her ' how would you like to get married to me? She of course sits there stunned asking 'qué qué?"(what what?) Then he explains it will be a marriage of convenience because not only do I want a wife, but I want a business partner. Together will also open up a business in the US maybe San Diego area and we will share the profits 50/50.

The pimp believes this is a offer the Mexican chica can't pass up, because he is offering her a chance of 'US Citizenship, and everybody want to be a US citizen because this is the greatest country in the whole world, girls would jump at the chance of marrying a guy to become a US citizen, and I'm offering even more, a chance of making money running your own business.

There is only one catch. The pimp doesn't have enough money, to open that business in the US yet, The BG is still going to have to work in the bar doing tricks and making money, as both the BG and the pimp will pull their resources( money) together until they build their nest egg to bring the US to the US, get her US prized citizenship, and open the business where the money will be flowing in. The pimp forget to tell the girl, that he'll be the one holding all the money. Mad Razz

Can you believe the pimp actually tried this scam to a TJ Mexican hooker?
The girl even followed him to his place, and got in bed with him, and he of course wanted to impress the girl even more by not fucking her...that's right he didn't fuck her, when he had her in the bed. He claims it's just all part of the strategy of holding power over the hooker, not letting her using her pussy to control him, and if he is going to fuck her, she must pay him earn the right to get the dick! ( weird shit I know)

Now the pimp realizes this scam can't work forever, so when she figures it out, she'll leave, but since he is holding the money she will be shit out of luck, and he'll have to go back to La Valentina Bar and find a new girl. And if this scam didnt work on the first girl, he'll just keep trying just like a telemarketing guy on the phone interviewing one chica after another until he finds a weak-mined girl he could exploit to turn over her money to him.


So what do you guys think? Do you think the scam worked? Do you think it worked on the first girl, and if so why, and if not why? Will it work on other girls?

I don't know how the scam turned out in the long run, the pimp didn't say. I do know how it ended with the first girl. I'll come back and explain what the pimp did right and I'll explain what he did wrong, keeping in mind he had a language problem to overcome.

 

[brwneyes]

I got a big belly laugh reading this:If that was even close to being true...
I would not have completely stopped reading, posting, or even logging into that has-been site months ago.

 

[GeeCee]

You know something I don't know Metal? If so spill it! I remember when people use to think you were telling me things, in fact I always get a wide range of information from different people or I find out myself. The funniest PM I received was from someone telling me somebodies son was gay, and it was causing them to drink all the time from the shame of it all. Hell my son is a Buddhist but I don't blame that for me drinking.

But so far I'm not getting any info on who the new owner of that site is. I'm only told that I would get along with him, but so far that new owner failed the test with me anyway.

Some "new age nut" who finds spirituality in fucking SGs and mocking their catholic religion was successful of getting me banned from a single thread that talked about spiritual issues because I would disagree that some old lady in a new age type religion didn't really hear Jesus voice in her head and write a new bible that is 180 degrees different than the current bible. I told the guy ACIM( the new age group) was just trying to use the popularity of Christianity to recruit new members, and then do a bait and switch. That was it he got me banned for being a trouble maker, and was free to promote his stuff.

Since a new owner took over I wanted to test the waters and told them to either un ban me from that thread, or stop the guy from trying to promote for this new age religion where the SG fucker even admits he is one of the teachers of the new age religion. Me being a non practicing Christian who was born a catholic and was getting upset the guy was using the easter holidays from Friday to Sunday to promote his stuff thinking during the holy holiday even non practicing mongers will think about religion and get them interested in religion. He says, the course is free, but I say it's not free, and that it may cost you your soul. ( hell is free too I"m told) LOL

But my first response from the new team was that thread starters have the power to ban anybody who they feel is out of line.( I never knew that?) Finally, I was told the new owner will look at my complaint, but didn't talk to me directly, but though a MOD saying"

"Everyone will get the same treatment and the rules will be enforced and anyone that disrupts the community will be banned. End of story,"

I'm still banned from the thread and the new age teacher who loves to fuck SG can continue to try to recruit off the site.....so I'm still pissed and want to know who is running that site?

HERE IS THE NEW OWNERS POSTS I FOUND ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME I FIND OUT WHO:



Sorry for bringing this topic up here, but it upset me and I needed to vent, besides it's an interesting topic and many members here are also on other sex forums and know what I'm talking about.

 

[Pompal 09.]

Let me know when El Fanatico's other handle is revealed; I have always been very curious about his real identity.



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[MissNobody]

Since I already talked about other sites. Who is the new owner of that site we all love to hate? You know that TJ mongering site, what's the big secret? I know they already banned one well known member of the past, that use to post outrageous crap late at night and drunk....that in itself gives me a clue?

Another thing I wonder about is who is that secret funny Asian monger who post s with self-deprecating humor, could he actually be a second handle of another well known monger who is practicing a few tricks leaned from yours truly Fireballs, when I kept my identity secret. Damn I hate secret handles, lucky I only found one guy posting on this site using a second handle. Using a second handle never works, as I usually can figure out who they are?

 

[Pompal 09.]

I talked to George Constanza today and told him I was hurt that my membership was ignored, while some incorrigible racist who posted great pictures but never-the-less banned from other sites for racist comments was allowed on that site. But George told me the site is being updated and no one can join yet till the updates get finished, but then all newbies will have their first posts censored or rather looked at my a MOD before it get posted........I didn't like that at all, but apparently that non mongering site had some 'flame wars.'

I only posting this as that site might have some information this site doesn't have like Real Estate, and more information about dance clubs.....as some guy there actually try to pick up civilian Mexican chicas......the important word here is try.LOL

 

[Pat M]

I don't know if this will make you feel better fireballs, but I tried joining that "tijuanablog" site and I had no luck either. they seem to have a "monger detector" or something!

 

[kathy]

Sorry FB, didnt go to the other sites, they would probably be disappointed with me as I dont post much except on this forum. I know Dr Choi a bit (says he is from New England area) and haven seen him on the other board for some time.

 

[Codys mom]

Does anybody know anything about the site http://www.tijuanablog.com/ Tijuana Blog? It talks about Tijuana and Baja related subject except for "red zone" related subjects. In other words it's not a prostitution related forum. The site looks like it's ran by a guy who calls himself George Constanza - Lord of the idiots! I'm pretty sure I know who this George Contanza as he is also involved in other TJ related sites.

The site looks pretty boring, but I do know a lot of the posters who were ex members of other sites. I tried to join the site using another handle of mine that's very familiar, but before you join you have to get approval from the administrator George Constanza, but damn George hasn't approved me yet, and it's been at least a week.Now I'm a little upset, because George under his other handle when running another site, said he liked my posts, and never had a problem with me, yet it seems he thinks I would cause problems to his new site he has had up the last two years, but is recently expanding service.

I only wanted to say hi to my old friend/ nemesis Dr Choi who is going on how he has been banned from three sites.There are also a few other guys I might have said hi to, and one subject I found interesting 'savage vehicles' in Mexico.

So if any member here is a member there, tell George my feelings are hurt, and I'll never buy him a Margarita that he likes so much, and anybody thinks that site may be interesting can join it's free.

I also didn't get any response to the below posts about 420 girls, and ice queens, and what you guys do about their drug problems?

 

[SmartyPants]

Since I was speaking of 420-friendly Tijuana guys. I was wondering what the rest of you guys do when a provider in the US, Tijuana or wherever you monger wants to get high before or having sex with you. I ask that because it's a real problem, where in the states 95% of all street hookers are hard core drug user where their habit slaves them to the work as a street 'ho.' In Tijuana, I would estimate drug use is about slightly less than 50%, except most of these chicas look clean without the track marks, but I understand many of them do "ICE" as the methamphetamine drug of choice, along with Mexican marijuana, and of course alcohol from drinking in the bars.( let me know if I missed any as I'm not a expert in this field)

In the past I had no problem if a chica wanted to get high, I'd let her, as he usually meant better sex for me, until I got stopped by the police and threatened but always let go. But many times I had providers want me to give them money in advance so they could buy stuff, and then go to the hotel. They even offered some to me, but I declined telling them my addiction is pussy and I get high just fucking different sexy girls, as that's my drug that I can't stop doing.

In fact it happened to me a few months ago when I was on jury duty. In the area are prostitutes, drugs, and even a few pimps once in awhile. I saw this combination Black/Latina girl walking in the alley behind the liquor store, she was about 19 with shorts and a top exposing part of her small breasts a little. I made a u-turn and pull up to her asking her if she wanted a ride. She was already high as a kite, and said sure. In the car i told her I loved her look, and would really love to take her to a hotel, and that I would even give her money. She really wasn't a full time hooker, just did things to get money once in awhile. She noticed me saying my eyes were glazed over and said I was acting crazy, and whatever the hell I was on she wanted some too. I told her I was on nothing, but that I just I missed the old neighborhood and looking for girls on the streets, as I never see girls as hot as you in the streets anymore, and you make me crazy, so she agreed to go to the hotel with me.

In the room I didn't have any condoms so she sent me to buy some, and told me when I get back she'll be naked in the bed waiting for me. When I got back, she was naked, but she also did more crack, and was acting even more crazy. She put on the porn, and was watching a guy with a big dick, and told me she hopes I have a big dick too, like the guy in the porn movie, because she wants to be fucked hard, feeling the big DICK, and she wanted to cum. So we get into it with her giving me a bad blow quick BBBJ, and I put on the condom and fuck her, then when I turn her over she is SCREAMING at me to fuck her hard, no harder. She was screeming so loud I popped quickly. She was a little disappointed, she didn't cum, and told me it was ok I didn't have a big dick, boy she hurt my ego, as other providers tell me it's big. But I paid for the hour and she agreed to let me fuck her again, but first she wanted to shave her pussy, so half hour went by the the drugs she was on were wearing off or sometime, because she didn't want to fuck anymore, even asking for more money if I wanted to still do it. I now got tired of her fussing over shaving over her pussy and saying weird shit. I told her, if she doesn't want to do it again, that's ok, and I just left.

Sessions like this have happened to me before, and they usually involved drugs on the providers part. I was just wondering what the rest of you guys do. I know some of the 420 guys give the chica's things in Tijuana, and for that they get SEXO for free, and a good experience, but is it really free, and what are the risks of getting caught in Tijuana, as those cops are on every corner. If you ask me it's not worth the risk, and it's best to be sure you or the chica aren't carrying any drugs. ( now if she is already fucked up on drugs or alcohol that's another story, and ok with me)

 

[Elizabet]

All Hail The Revelationz of 6/4/07 !

 

[Pittsburgher -Glen Coco-]

Metal wrote:

Funny your should say that Metal. I did pay a visit to Group W today. just to let them know nobody was feeding me any information as I can get info on my own.

I want to warn anybody to be careful if you decide to join a site like this. If they don't like you they might post your personal information, can you believe they let some male nurse with a puta girlfriend he wants to marry posted my personal email account and name, just because I once called him racist, and told him I'd write about him and his puta girlfriend if he continues to post personal things about me.

The site is set up nice, but it's a little weird using it, and hard to find things. the main problem is it's a little ghost town, maybe only two guys posting and 3 or 4 guys visiting the site. I posted a little on that site, but they deleted my stuff already, well most of it. I guess they didn't like my topics, and that I didn't talke about 420 things. Guys it was nice visiting hope to be back soon.( I also liked a few of the pictures on that site)

 

[Juliet]

Jean Luc, also the escort site owner of http://www.bestescortstijuana.com/ I had heard got really sick and was hospitalized. But you never know how good your information is, as I got it from one of those new sites I was talking about.

I wish the best for Jean Luc, if true. I didn't always agree with everything he wrote, and we got into it a few times over politics, but I understand he ran a good escort operation, and never tried to cheat anyone. And I see the website is still in operation, so somebody must be running it?

Senor Panocha the site owner of ChicaChica that was destroyed by hackers is still around. Since he wasn't allowed to post like he wanted on a different site, he just about quit posting, and I understand those new sites haven't invited him, because a few guys don't like what he writes about. SP was a great site owner, and I do wish he got his site back up, as he was both a great writer, and site owner.

 

[Pompal 09.]

And what ever happened to Senior Panocha ? Did he and Jean Luc go to the outlet mall to shop for new clothes?