Time to educate

[ChaosFactor]

On the thread "Who to try now" there is an exchange about discretion regarding keeping session details private, with some saying don't share anything and Superman stating share the information about your session!
I agree with Superman, people need to chill! Its the reviews and sharing of information on these sites that builds up the clietele for these girls because its not like you can leave a review on Google for them!
If you think you have to keep it a secret because you are special and she only offers this to a select few then you are dreaming! These girls decide to offer extras to certain clients based on their internal danger radar and I trust their instincts. I have heard comments on here from people who say they weren't offered extras from certain girls and I was offered extras first visit! In my opinion obviously the girl did not trust something about the person if she did not offer and that is the smart thing for her to do!
The thing that is really starting to get bad with this site is all this "PM me the information!" Why not just place it on the site? Really is she so much safer becaused you pm'd it to some random person???? Yeah you can trust that person because you sent it in a pm form!
For those of you that are worried your favorite girl might get shut down because you post information on this or any site let me try to educate.
There are specific rules any government agency must follow to persue legal recourse, whether it is arresting someone, cancelling a business license, or anything inbetween. First off they cannot just do any of this based on heresay and that is what posts on these sites are! Because I or 100 of us say "I got great extras from Sunny" does not mean a government representative can now run down and cancel her license or arrest her, my saying this is not enough proof! That is why you cannot just go to a police station and accuse someone you do not like of a crime to get them arrested.
So what would an agency or law enforcement need to do?
They need to gather information, first off they need to prove who the girl providing extras really is, sure we call her Sunny but that isn't her real name. Secondly they would need to build a case meaning getting warrants to track down the real names of anyone who claimed to have gotten extras (trust me this is not like the movies this is a very difficult process) from whichever RMT they are hoping to catch and then they would have to hope that we were willing to work with them and provide information!
Or they could try a sting by directly going to the girl in question book a massage with them and hope they get the proof they need. They cannot just randomly decide to perform a sting, there are very specific rules law agencies must follow to first get permission and then follow during the course of the investigation so that it is not entrapment and this would be pretty obvious to any girl with any intelligence.
What all this means is it is very difficult, costly and time consuming to gather actual proof on someone because you need a lot of evidence! Now tell me any agency or insurance comapny that would do this for a small massage operation much less 1 person that mainly offers hj's?
It is just not worth their time! Even if they did happen to get shut down they could reopen a week later under a different name!
The thing that really amazes me is that more RMT's do not offer a HE because the risk is low and the rewards are lucrative! It simply boils down to RMT's feel they are medical professionals and are above offering anything like that as that would lower them to a massage pratictioner status!
If the girl offers extras then that is her decision and the she understands the (extremely limited) risks associated with it! Respect her decision and if she is good share the information! We users of the site (if anything) are very loyal to those we like especially when we find the best combination of quality massage, happy ending and value!

In short share...Rant done

 

[sjlovesmassage]

Well said Holmes!

 

[Guy2013]

Nice rant, however it neglects the fact that an individual like "Sunny" specifically asks her clients NOT to review her.

So if someone goes against those wishes and posts a review so much for the "loyalty" you refer to.

 

[Rubmegood]

Thank you, Chaosfactor! My point exactly on pm-ing. As far as a "provider" asking for no reviews, that's between the provider and the client. Personally, i would respect her wishes but its not the point of this forum to judge if i do or not. Maybe you're the only one she said not to give a review because she was afraid it would be negative!

 

[ChaosFactor]

Nice rant, however it neglects the fact that an individual like "Sunny" specifically asks her clients NOT to review her.

So if someone goes against those wishes and posts a review so much for the "loyalty" you refer to.

I have never had a provider specifically bring up the fact that I should not review them but then again I have never gone on about online ratings and reviews! Most girls know their businesses are built on referrals and in regard to your point many people who have tried Sunny have reviewed her and continue to see her so she does not say this to everyone and I also have to wonder why Sunny would tell you specifically not to review her?
Did you have an indepth discussion with her regarding this site as well as share your user name??
Like RMG said if you want to respect her wishes that is fine I do not think anyone on here would have issues with that! People just have an issue when you try to judge others and impose your will on them.

 

[Massage2fun]

Most girls know their businesses are built on referrals and in regard to your point many people who have tried Sunny have reviewed her and continue to see her so she does not say this to everyone and I also have to wonder why Sunny would tell you specifically not to review her?

ChaosFactor has hit it on the head with his first post on this thread and on his rebuttal to Rubmegood. ChaosFactor provides excellent information in his first post. As long as it is behind closed doors, there should be no concerns.

 

[Massage2fun]

Nice rant, however it neglects the fact that an individual like "Sunny" specifically asks her clients NOT to review her.

So if someone goes against those wishes and posts a review so much for the "loyalty" you refer to.

I agree with you completely regarding Amy. Never seen Betty, reviews are so poor decided to save my money.Although Kelly is plain looking I have always felt her services were excellent. As for Linda, I think her massage is overrated, been to see her twice, wont do a third. Sunny, Sunny, what can one say about Sunny except....wow. Tina was a disappointment, never went back a second time

Jistaguy19, Jul 27, 2015

And to defend ChaosFactor more, it looks like Jistaguy19 is not consistent with his comments. He talks about no reviews but yet does his own reviews.

 

[TBone]

there is low risk of a service provider being told to stop doing what she does behind closed doors.

This is only true if people do not post about it on a public forum. There seems to be a lot of jealous RMT's in edmonton who are more than happy to report them for this, and I know of a couple ladies who have been fired for it. Maybe they think they are taking business away from them?

Why do you think Sunny (and others) is so adamant about not doing reviews on her? If it was low risk like you say then she wouldn't care about that. There is a real chance she could lose her license if too much attention gets drawn on her.

I'm not saying to not share intel on here, I just want to present the other side of this situation.

 

[Guy2013]

I agree with you completely regarding Amy. Never seen Betty, reviews are so poor decided to save my money.Although Kelly is plain looking I have always felt her services were excellent. As for Linda, I think her massage is overrated, been to see her twice, wont do a third. Sunny, Sunny, what can one say about Sunny except....wow. Tina was a disappointment, never went back a second time

Jistaguy19, Jul 27, 2015

And to defend ChaosFactor more, it looks like Jistaguy19 is not consistent with his comments.

It was brought to my attention that Sunny has explicitly requested no reviews, I initially and at the time felt as long as I kept the reviews general that would be okay. Unfortunately in doing so I completely violated her wishes, the fact of the matter it is about respecting her wishes out of courtesy. Its not up to any of us to decide what is "best" for Sunny and her business, or how much risk reviewing her places her in. Those are decisions best left to Sunny. In fact if I could figure out a way on the board to delete previous comments I would in a moment.

 

[Guy2013]

Reviewing a provider against her wishes is akin to someone on this board revealing another posters real identity simply because they feel that is best for them and is of little risk

 

[Massage2fun]

The thing that really amazes me is that more RMT's do not offer a HE because the risk is low and the rewards are lucrative! It simply boils down to RMT's feel they are medical professionals and are above offering anything like that as that would lower them to a massage pratictioner status!

ChaosFactor is right on.

Where I have a bit of a disagreement with is on whether the "risk is low?" It depends on your definition of risk. There are other risks that a RMT has to face.

There is though a risk that others who know a RMT will become aware of these boards. There was a research study done a couple of years ago about whether a service provider can have a life outside of the business. And the conclusion was that it would be very difficult. The only men that service providers would be able to attract would be men who want to be supported by the provider because of how "lucrative" her business is or men that are so desperate for affection. This is where the real risk is for providing too many details about a service provider on these boards.

I am coming into Edmonton next weekend for the Western Semi Final football game on Sunday. I plan on having an appointment with a RMT on Saturday. I will let her know about these review boardss than and determine whether she discourages or encourages the reviews.

 

[Massage2fun]

Other risks to a service provider is that her neighbours, friends and family find out about her other life. Well the money is lucrative, the service provider has to weigh the money against those risks.

 

[ChaosFactor]

Other risks to a service provider is that her neighbours, friends and family find out about her other life. Well the money is lucrative, the service provider has to weigh the money against those risks.

I think this is why most RMT's who provide extras are Asian and many are new to the country. In discussion with them it seems most of their lives revolve around work and shopping and family isn't really part of the equation hence no stigma.

 

[Rubmegood]

I think this is why most RMT's who provide extras are Asian and many are new to the country. In discussion with them it seems most of their lives revolve around work and shopping and family isn't really part of the equation hence no stigma.

So maybe somebody can clarify a popular myth in North America. I always thought AMP's provided 'extras' because in Asian countries these 'extras' were just considered part of a normal massage- hence no stigma.

 

[Albertaman]

Rubmegood's post reminded me that attitudes can be quite different in other countries. In Toronto, I used to see a Russian female therapist who not only gave incredible (deep and flowing) massages, but always insisted that a HE was a vital part of her massage, not an extra. For longer 90 minutes or 2 hr massages, she would start with a Happy Beginning and finish with a Happy Ending, all in, no extra, no stigma. Now, that was a good attitude!

 

[ChaosFactor]

Yes attitudes are very different in many cultures and unfortunately North American culture is very uptight..

 

[Jammer55]

Rubmegood's post reminded me that attitudes can be quite different in other countries. In Toronto, I used to see a Russian female therapist who not only gave incredible (deep and flowing) massages, but always insisted that a HE was a vital part of her massage, not an extra. For longer 90 minutes or 2 hr massages, she would start with a Happy Beginning and finish with a Happy Ending, all in, no extra, no stigma. Now, that was a good attitude!

Yes , its all about good service ...hopefully it will come to Alberta . You shouldn't have to go to Vancouver or Toronto for service like you mentioned & should be a norm.

 

[Cardude]

On the thread "Who to try now" there is an exchange about discretion regarding keeping session details private, with some saying don't share anything and Superman stating share the information about your session!
I agree with Superman, people need to chill! Its the reviews and sharing of information on these sites that builds up the clietele for these girls because its not like you can leave a review on Google for them!
If you think you have to keep it a secret because you are special and she only offers this to a select few then you are dreaming! These girls decide to offer extras to certain clients based on their internal danger radar and I trust their instincts. I have heard comments on here from people who say they weren't offered extras from certain girls and I was offered extras first visit! In my opinion obviously the girl did not trust something about the person if she did not offer and that is the smart thing for her to do!
The thing that is really starting to get bad with this site is all this "PM me the information!" Why not just place it on the site? Really is she so much safer becaused you pm'd it to some random person???? Yeah you can trust that person because you sent it in a pm form!
For those of you that are worried your favorite girl might get shut down because you post information on this or any site let me try to educate.
There are specific rules any government agency must follow to persue legal recourse, whether it is arresting someone, cancelling a business license, or anything inbetween. First off they cannot just do any of this based on heresay and that is what posts on these sites are! Because I or 100 of us say "I got great extras from Sunny" does not mean a government representative can now run down and cancel her license or arrest her, my saying this is not enough proof! That is why you cannot just go to a police station and accuse someone you do not like of a crime to get them arrested.
So what would an agency or law enforcement need to do?
They need to gather information, first off they need to prove who the girl providing extras really is, sure we call her Sunny but that isn't her real name. Secondly they would need to build a case meaning getting warrants to track down the real names of anyone who claimed to have gotten extras (trust me this is not like the movies this is a very difficult process) from whichever RMT they are hoping to catch and then they would have to hope that we were willing to work with them and provide information!
Or they could try a sting by directly going to the girl in question book a massage with them and hope they get the proof they need. They cannot just randomly decide to perform a sting, there are very specific rules law agencies must follow to first get permission and then follow during the course of the investigation so that it is not entrapment and this would be pretty obvious to any girl with any intelligence.
What all this means is it is very difficult, costly and time consuming to gather actual proof on someone because you need a lot of evidence! Now tell me any agency or insurance comapny that would do this for a small massage operation much less 1 person that mainly offers hj's?
It is just not worth their time! Even if they did happen to get shut down they could reopen a week later under a different name!
The thing that really amazes me is that more RMT's do not offer a HE because the risk is low and the rewards are lucrative! It simply boils down to RMT's feel they are medical professionals and are above offering anything like that as that would lower them to a massage pratictioner status!
If the girl offers extras then that is her decision and the she understands the (extremely limited) risks associated with it! Respect her decision and if she is good share the information! We users of the site (if anything) are very loyal to those we like especially when we find the best combination of quality massage, happy ending and value!

In short share...Rant done

To Chaosfactor and Superman - I can speak from first hand experience. I was married to a massage provider. I always assumed she was only giving massages to her customers. Than one day, a co-worker of mine pointed me to the baby cow board. On that board there were upwards of 100 reviews of my wife. When I confronted her about these reviews, she of course denied everything. She continuously told me that she only did normal massage and did not provide extras. I confronted her again a month later when more reviews were posted and when she walked in with $500 of new clothes. To make a long story short, we are now divorced. I would not ever have a relationship with a massage provider that does more than massage.