What happen to the Cameron thread...

[selena luvz you x]

It says it was moved, but when I try to access it....

I get denied access - what's up with that?

 

[hellokitty]

No difference from being deleted I guess.

 

[MO $ LE$$ $$TRE$$ MO LOVE]

hmmm ...

Good riddance to bad rubbish ? That would entirely depend on your perspective, NR.

The mods must have needed some sleep and tossed it on the back burner.

I'm sure they understand the insight and value of working through such an issue on many levels and not just in relation to the specific characters involved.

I'd agree that it had come to a point, just before it was "moved" where nothing was being gained.

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[Schooling You]

Agreed. And as Mr. Man posted:

 

[rainbowet95]

Goober,

I can't find the location of the thread so I'll have to recount things from my perspective as I recall it.

One of the issues of the thread had become what Mr Man refers to as "personal attacks" and trying to ward off and understand why such things occur. Maybe I'm too optimistic that something good can come of such a "debate", but if someone gains new insight ( including myself ) it's worth it.

Granted my posts came across as a little frustrated and facetious at times, but for the most part I tried to put some thought into what was going down with regard to the overall picture.

Don't think I don't see the irony in the personal attack issue.

I'm still unclear as to whether "moved" is just a another way of saying deleted ( we nuked your posts ) so will refrain from further comment. I don't see why it wouldn't just be locked.

 

[Linz]

poolie:

Admittedly, I see your point. dammit However I wasn't the mod who moved the thread from the open board.

I'd be okay with Fred reinstating the thread in a closed state.

 

[BLACKHAWK]

i'm just wondering why it disappear

i mean there were valid points to the thread

sure there were arguments, but it wasn't a flame war

the posters arguing are mature enough not to degrade the thread to name calling or threats of violence

so why is it gone....what's up with that?

 

[TartCartRider]

I don't think that there is much value in overanalyzing an MPA's service.
Not to mention that it can cause the MPA in question some considerable grief.
The only thing to be learned from the thread is that those who like her service should continue seeing her and those who don't should look alsewhere.

 

[crln]

Ummmmmmm

I hope my comment about "personal attacks" didn't get the thread moved/deleted. I was just trying to show that the Cameron thread was intended to be something positive and it was quickly turning very negative. I agree that after some debate people may change their views on the subject, but during that debating period things will be said that will be hurtful to the MPA.

 

[GetSkinnyDiet.com]

Fred, by making the thread inaccessible to the membership, you negate the valid points that were raised in the discussion. If you want to edit out the off-topic posts in the exchange, do so. But you should not have the absolute power to tell us which of our opinions are valid when it comes to an MPA.

The ban was on reviews. We were (for the most part) discussing a change in attitude as it relates to reputation. If the new rule is "you can only post positive things about Cameron" then simply put that rule in a sticky and save us all alot of typing.

 

[vance1167]

The thread was removed for two reasons. Number one, Kayla has asked for zero reviews on anyone working at HFH. Secondly the thread was taking a turn for the worse with some comments being somewhat nasty. People seem to forget that some of the girls do read the boards and what they read can really upset them and make them entremely self conscious.

 

[AZMI]

While I agree with the reason for the hush rule and it's enforcement, I don't see that we can deny HFH's existence or the existence of the MPA's that work there. Ultimately I'd be in favour of the hush rule being more discriminative ( discrimination is not negative in all contexts ). Unfortunately it would be harder to execute effectively that way. I'm just wondering if the thread had been left at the "negative" comments on the MPA with no counteraction if they would have been deleted. Ironically in this case it was the lack of so called illegal activities that was one of the initial comments.

The point is, that the thread was not about one specific MPA and her services. At least in my view. It was about making absolute and unjust personal judgements on MPA's as individuals. My thoughts on this were expanded on in the now missing thread. Fortunately enough for you, I just so happened to have saved one of my posts before submitting as I had to shower and have din dins before finishing the post.



While I agree that an MPA's feelings take somewhat of a priority ( IMO ) the fact remains that every-time a review on any MPA is posted it will no doubt comment to some extent on that MPA on a physical and personal level. Granted there is a difference between an objective perspective and what one may deem as a bias attack, but nonetheless it's a hard line to draw and one that I think better dealt with than buried. What do you think to be more of a deterrent ? The possibility of being presented with one of my long winded posts ( and a backlash of others perspectives ) or deleting every comment judged as a personal attack. ( yeah, that's tongue in cheek, but I'm sure you can read between the lines - just because someone makes a comment others don't agree with doesn't warrant an "attack", but there's nothing wrong with opposing and questioning their viewpoint and motives ) I'll maybe think twice next time as to how I post, becuase putting time and thought into responding rather than "lashing out", only to have it deleted is a waste of time.

The bottom line is this board is about services of MPA's ( at least it's supposed to be ) Addressing the problem and attempting to deal with it is always better in the long run for all concerned, IMO. I think for the most part the issues in that thread were being dealt with. We are all rational adults here and do not hold personal or malicious grudges just because we disagree on certain issues ...

This is not the same as racism, but in essence the controversy is similar. The racist thread is left alone with all personally offencive posts intact, yet this thread gets moved. I don't get it ...

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One last thing and without meaning to harp on specific issues in that thread, because for me that aspect is over, at this point. I was about to reply to Figurehead as the thread was being "moved", in regard to his assertion that it were a "gang bang"

Two or three people sharing a similar yet individual opposing perspective does not constitute a gang bang in my books. If I thought it were in fact a gang bang I'd hesitate to enter into it. Generally, I oppose mob mentalities as some could attest to.

Do you really think Rev ( or others for that matter ), need any help expressing his opinion ? If you can't tell, then believe me, he does not, as I had the [mis] fortune of "battling" him once. The thread in which the disagreement ensued was allowed to continue for three days at which point we managed to reach an agreement. After all we are civilised adults for the most part ...

Besides, there is nothing stopping anyone jumping in who empathises or agrees with whom opposes what is, at this point, the general consensus of the majority although differing slightly.

 

[Msean]

Poolie, thats fantastic stuff. It belongs in a thread of its own since it applies to every single MPA that we are talking about, not just one.

I will petition the person responsible for removing it to replace it if it has been saved, provided the personal stuff about her is removed.

However you look at it, some people over emphasize on some of the ladies in the business and its totally unfair to her and the other mpa's. Can we agree on that?

 

[Pompal 09.]

Thank you Pool for "getting it".

In every statement I made to reinforce my point (i.e. attitude shift vs. all-star status), I repeatedly balanced it with commentary that the MPA in question was certainly better than most even on an off day, and that I would recommend her to a friend.

There was no review, it was a discussion of personal, factual experiences (even a civil one, at least by massageplanet.net standards). If this wasnt an example of a valid, non-detailed, healthy exchange .... well, I guess we should just block out "HFH" and "Cameron" in a similar way that we blank out the words "****" and "****".

 

[Mz Black]

I thought the thread was a mature exchange of differing views

but i didn't see what was posted after 8 pm

i was intrigued by some of the posters points of view and i can't see why it should be deleted altogether

unless it degenerated into flames and personal attacks after 8 pm

 

[sian m]

True - but given that there are maybe 500 spas in the GTA and several thousands MPAs is it really necessary to devote pages upon pages of posts analysing one MPA's service in this manner, every other month or so ? Put yourself in the MPA's shoes, how would you feel about it ?

 

[bkk2nite]

Ah well, if you say so paul..the thread is back .here we go Cameron Part II

http://www.massageplanet.net.ca/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34326

 

[hey gemma!]

I ag ...... agr ruuhh ... agree.

It is just this fact that caused this thread to take the turn it did. I think both positive and negative "obsessions" with certain MPA's puts pressure on them one way or another. I have to admit to coming across as obsessive about one certain MPA and although I still think she was one of the best, particularly for me, I just play it up ( parody myself ) 'cause I have a weird sense of humour.

It's just such obsessive and bias posts and the long threads that ensue over certain MPA's that need to be addressed. I thought the "offending" threads main theme was doing just that.

It seems that the general theme is we put them on such a high pedestal and enjoy their services, but as soon as they falter in our eyes, they have set such a high standard there is a long way to fall. What is wrong with this picture ?

While I objected to Muffin Munchers's initial comment on the MPA's personality, I later in the thread stated he at least had a legitimate grievance from his perspective. He himself stated in the thread what he reiterated above. His standpoint is fairly objective.

Eeee ghaaad, I doubt I could handle being an MPA ...

 

[e_d_ellis2004]

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Thats not fair......dammit, the perks that some mp owners get..........

 

[Mum knows best]

yeah,

i just finish reading the thread

it did somewhat degrade into personal attacks towards the end