Opinion Customer walk-ins

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I know that some guys prefer walk-ins rather than making an appointment. And I read a thread on this site complaining about walk-ins that interrupt a session. I've been there. Recently, my session was interrupted multiple times by walk-ins. No receptionist at this spa. I'm not complaining.

But what are these walk-ins discussing? Price? Availability? Services?

One guy came to the front door, spoke with my MPA, was taken to a room by another MPA, was then interrupted by another walk-in, then he left his room and exited the spa. WTF?

A third walk-in came to the front door, spoke with my MPA, left, and then came back again.

By this point, I was staring at the ceiling waiting for the next interruption. Mood killer but what can you do?
 
I know that some guys prefer walk-ins rather than making an appointment. And I read a thread on this site complaining about walk-ins that interrupt a session. I've been there. Recently, my session was interrupted multiple times by walk-ins. No receptionist at this spa. I'm not complaining.

But what are these walk-ins discussing? Price? Availability? Services?

One guy came to the front door, spoke with my MPA, was taken to a room by another MPA, was then interrupted by another walk-in, then he left his room and exited the spa. WTF?

A third walk-in came to the front door, spoke with my MPA, left, and then came back again.

By this point, I was staring at the ceiling waiting for the next interruption. Mood killer but what can you do?
Every time there is an interruption, demand extra time.
 
Why should I punish myself for their bad actions?
Punish yourself ? WTF , how many spas are in the GTA ? This is my biggest pet peeve, the guy on the table isnโ€™t worth shit , they have you , the guy interrupting, they donโ€™t want to lose โ€ฆ never pay until you receive what you came for
 
Why should I punish myself for their bad actions?
I got that kind of disrespect at a well known spa which I had visited more than once, after first interruption I told her someone else can get the next one. Still she got up and left, I think she had the best English proficiency that day. I left a pro-rated portion of the door fee and told her I would never see her again. And if there is a problem I am happy to talk to the boss. I know she was probably in a bad spot, with the receptionist not there yet, but in a service industry she had a choice to make. And you must KNOW THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE HOW TO RESPOND as is your right as a customer. Went around the corner to another spa, saw a girl on the TDL for the first time and had a great time. As a rookie I used to put up with that shit, but there are so many great choices, you only feel cheated if you let them do it to you.
 
I usually visit Premier Spas which have a receptionist. I just happened to be at an Asian spa that didn't have the mamasan on site that day.

I understand possible solutions to this type of situation.

My question was: What are walk-ins asking about? (One guy took 5 minutes of my time.)
 
Donโ€™t visit places that donโ€™t have a dedicated receptionist.
Actually having a receptionist does not guarantee that this will not happen.

Take suko for example. On a number of occasions during my massage the boss lady would interrupt the session by asking the attendant to ask me if I would shorten my session (which I would do but more as a favor to my attendant). A real mood killer. A better business practice would be for the boss lady to not interrupt and simply tell the customer that he will have to wait. This helps to avoid any conflict between me and my attendant.

The boss lady is very short sighted as she only concerns herself with the next customer. Once she has your door fee she doesn't give a damn about your experience.

I stopped going to suko.

The funny thing is that my attendant told me that the boss lady asked why I never come see her at suko and was angry when told that I see the attendant as other spas! I met this attendant at another spa to begin with.
 
Actually having a receptionist does not guarantee that this will not happen.

Take suko for example. On a number of occasions during my massage the boss lady would interrupt the session by asking the attendant to ask me if I would shorten my session (which I would do but more as a favor to my attendant). A real mood killer. A better business practice would be for the boss lady to not interrupt and simply tell the customer that he will have to wait. This helps to avoid any conflict between me and my attendant.

The boss lady is very short sighted as she only concerns herself with the next customer. Once she has your door fee she doesn't give a damn about your experience.

I stopped going to suko.

The funny thing is that my attendant told me that the boss lady asked why I never come see her at suko and was angry when told that I see the attendant as other spas! I met this attendant at another spa to begin with.
I guess "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush" is not a Chinese idiom?
 
I book the first appointment of the day almost 100% of the time. Several of my regulars [ with whom I repeat with often ] even come in early before the official opening time in order that my appointment not be interrupted. And as a result it very seldom is - even though every spa that I frequent is an AMP with a maximum of 2 ladies on any given day.

Almost every one of these ladies in the AMPs is so desperate for business that it is almost impossible for them to not interrupt the session if someone is at the door.

The solution which almost always works except for the most inconsiderate of potential clients - if the appointment is before the official opening time do not turn on the open sign. If the appointment is at the official opening time have a cardboard clock on the door saying back at such and such a time or busy.

My friend who is less tolerant than I, has told any girl that he has seen more than once in no uncertain terms - DO NOT ANSWER THE DOOR and have a cardboard clock on the door as per above.

These girls need to realize that the most important client is the one in the room - not someone at the door who may be just looking or inquiring.
 
I book the first appointment of the day almost 100% of the time. Several of my regulars [ with whom I repeat with often ] even come in early before the official opening time in order that my appointment not be interrupted. And as a result it very seldom is - even though every spa that I frequent is an AMP with a maximum of 2 ladies on any given day.

Almost every one of these ladies in the AMPs is so desperate for business that it is almost impossible for them to not interrupt the session if someone is at the door.

The solution which almost always works except for the most inconsiderate of potential clients - if the appointment is before the official opening time do not turn on the open sign. If the appointment is at the official opening time have a cardboard clock on the door saying back at such and such a time or busy.

My friend who is less tolerant than I, has told any girl that he has seen more than once in no uncertain terms - DO NOT ANSWER THE DOOR and have a cardboard clock on the door as per above.

These girls need to realize that the most important client is the one in the room - not someone at the door who may be just looking or inquiring.
Iโ€™ve suggested the cardboard clock , but , they say customer will then go to another spa , the boss is only interested in the door fee , thatโ€™s all they get , the girls are forced to answer the door , get the room fee first , put in waiting room , if available, and rush the poor fuck on the table out the door
 
Iโ€™ve suggested the cardboard clock , but , they say customer will then go to another spa , the boss is only interested in the door fee , thatโ€™s all they get , the girls are forced to answer the door , get the room fee first , put in waiting room , if available, and rush the poor fuck on the table out the door
And the answer to the question.. they talk shit , negotiate the price , ask about services, credit card , debit card options, many , just tire kickers , or try to talk girl into 10 HJ for 20 $..same guys that go to car dealerships to fantasize, Iโ€™m sure they all go back to their cars and handle themselves
 
I book the first appointment of the day almost 100% of the time. Several of my regulars [ with whom I repeat with often ] even come in early before the official opening time in order that my appointment not be interrupted. And as a result it very seldom is - even though every spa that I frequent is an AMP with a maximum of 2 ladies on any given day.

Almost every one of these ladies in the AMPs is so desperate for business that it is almost impossible for them to not interrupt the session if someone is at the door.

The solution which almost always works except for the most inconsiderate of potential clients - if the appointment is before the official opening tiPost in thread 'Customer walk-ins' https://massage.net/threads/customer-walk-ins.330646/post-2350629me do not turn on the open sign. If the appointment is at the official opening time have a cardboard clock on the door saying back at such and such a time or busy.

My friend who is less tolerant than I, has told any girl that he has seen more than once in no uncertain terms - DO NOT ANSWER THE DOOR and have a cardboard clock on the door as per above.

These girls need to realize that the most important client is the one in the room - not someone at the door who may be just looking or inquiring.
I know that some guys prefer walk-ins rather than making an appointment. And I read a thread on this site complaining about walk-ins that interrupt a session. I've been there. Recently, my session was interrupted multiple times by walk-ins. No receptionist at this spa. I'm not complaining.

But what are these walk-ins discussing? Price? Availability? Services?

One guy came to the front door, spoke with my MPA, was taken to a room by another MPA, was then interrupted by another walk-in, then he left his room and exited the spa. WTF?

A third walk-in came to the front door, spoke with my MPA, left, and then came back again.

By this point, I was staring at the ceiling waiting for the next interruption. Mood killer but what can you do?
I have stopped going to WJT for this very reason. The boss lady there will ask an attendant to step out of the room and greet a walk-in even when it's clear that you are in the middle of the action.
 
When there is no receptionist and only a few girls working, its just a reality. I imagine myself on the other side if I tried to come to my favorite spa and no one opened the door for me I would be upset too.
I feel bad even being mad or upset about it because its a business, I'm not special. I chalk it up to the game.

I usually visit Premier Spas which have a receptionist. I just happened to be at an Asian spa that didn't have the mamasan on site that day.

I understand possible solutions to this type of situation.

My question was: What are walk-ins asking about? (One guy took 5 minutes of my time.)
I've been with plenty of MPAs who have left the room to greet a walk in, come back after a few seconds and tell me to wait. She is gone for 5-10 minutes, comes back and tells me that she had to jerk someone off in the sink/shower. Won't say who they are but I'm sure people have the same stories with girls/spas they've visited.
 
When there is no receptionist and only a few girls working, its just a reality. I imagine myself on the other side if I tried to come to my favorite spa and no one opened the door for me I would be upset too.
I feel bad even being mad or upset about it because its a business, I'm not special. I chalk it up to the game.


I've been with plenty of MPAs who have left the room to greet a walk in, come back after a few seconds and tell me to wait. She is gone for 5-10 minutes, comes back and tells me that she had to jerk someone off in the sink/shower. Won't say who they are but I'm sure people have the same stories with girls/spas they've visited.
More than you can imagine, Iโ€™m just about done with this shit , itโ€™s an insult to all of us that pay full room fee , while some piece of shit just drops his pants for twenty dollar hand job or quick
Blow and go ,
 
More than you can imagine, Iโ€™m just about done with this shit , itโ€™s an insult to all of us that pay full room fee , while some piece of shit just drops his pants for twenty dollar hand job or quick
Blow and go ,
It's a shame too because its the reason I fell out with some of my favorite MPAs. They were perfect for me but they cannot refuse the quick buck they get from that
 
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    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Doris ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Koko ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  29. Moneylee:
    Full season Wellness center: New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Emily, Student big boobs buttocks Vicky ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Linda , young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Cici, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…
  30. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY & MAGGIE. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E)
  31. AliceSpa:
    SATURDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 416-298-0898 [/color] Alice spa has 3 attractive honeys today. Open 10am to 9pm: MIKO(12:30pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young, very pretty, slim & busty internet celebrity who can make your eyes shine. 5'2", 100 Lbs, long black hair. Excellent service strong massage bbbj cim dfk, all menus.
  32. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…,new friendly nice girl CiCi,providing oil deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…nice Vietnamese Amy is very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch,really popular ๐ŸŒนlong hair beautiful lily ,slim body.friendly,back walking,hot stone,amazing body slide๐Ÿ˜
  33. Golden Flower Spa:
  34. BlueXado Therapy & Spa:
  35. Pink Flower Spa:
  36. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage with Rel
  37. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, LUNA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs
  38. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 masseuse are working today. Young sweet student Kitty 26โ€™s with curve body open mind and young pretty Michelle 25โ€™s open mind,fun sexy Yoyo 36DD with curve body open mind and cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  39. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised elegance
  40. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl โ—๏ธJenny , sexy girl 1.60 M.pretty boobs 36D๐Ÿ˜˜Superb service ๐Ÿ‘ Sweet girl Suki deep massage Big Boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  41. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Barbie Petite Korea Part time School girl Suki From Taiwan, sweet girl Elena Vietnamese sweetheart girl Natalie filipina mixed girl Sami Vietnamese โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  42. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Kiki and water works
  43. DareDevil:
    JUST RELAX WELLNESS: 160 EAST BEAVER CREEK RD #17, RICHMOND HILL, Tel(905) 707 5877 Website:Just Relax Wellness Centre โ™ฅ๏ธ GTA'S most Prestigiousโ™ฅ๏ธ. 7 Well trained girls working today: Nancy, Shirley, Sasa, Cici, Eliza, Anna and TIna . Promo: COMBO SPECIAL 30MIN FOOT+60MIN BODY ONLY $80
  44. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Saturday April 5, 2025, our attendants will be Opal, Vicky, Lucy, Ivy and Sophie Call 905-479-6668 to book!
  45. EMSpa_schedule:
    For Friday April 4, 2025, our attendants are Ada ๐Ÿ’œ, Opal ๐Ÿ˜˜, Cici ๐Ÿ˜˜, Vicky ๐Ÿฅฐ and Christina ๐Ÿ‘. Call us at (905) 479-6668 to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham, ON, Canada!
  46. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.on Friday happy weekend ,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…beautiful Jessica come back,deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…joey is very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch really popular ๐ŸŒนlong hair Vietnamese Amy open maid,everything she can do,more experience,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  47. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS ADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683/905.886.9993 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Young Beautiful Girls : Hottie Hattie, Lovely Tina, Young Lori, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) ** PICK OF THE DAY IS Hattie**
  48. New spring spa@:
    โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธsexy hot Germany๐ŸŒธKorean ๐ŸŒธ Malaysia girl working at๐Ÿ’“๐Ÿ’“ Nu spring spa โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  49. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage w
  50. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl Cherry (Student)๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜โ€œcharming breasts.โ€beautiful curvy hips.โ€very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking spaces
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