Spa AD E&M Wellness @ 7665 Kennedy Rd, Markham, Tel..(905) 479 6668

Been lurking for some time but kray gives decent reviews and honest opinions. I'm sure many hobbyists here actually value those opinions vs all the other non-sense..


He's a salesman, that's his job here. I'm sure he has all the best intensions. I agree with some of the shills but there are plenty of dud's too. Try for yourself and vote with your wallet.

No offense implied
 
Been lurking for some time but kray gives decent reviews and honest opinions. I'm sure many hobbyists here actually value those opinions vs all the other non-sense..

Krayjee will overplay his hand which he has done at SL.

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What a coincidence. I was about to bump this thread back to front after seeing the spa was pretty dead there today. I was having some discussions at Blue Sky for about 2 hrs for thier new Blue Sea spa opening on Pine Valley this coming Monday and all I saw was only one customer went into E&M in that 2 hrs period. January is always tough but this past year was the toughest for some spas.

The funny thing was Blue Sky girls were always watching on monitors to know E&M is busy or not. They said when E&M is busy. They are busy too. Mia told me Cici and Eva wants the Thai guy to come back to E& M..lol.
They were so happy when they first open the Blue Sky. They said they got over 20 customers everyday as soon as they open without advertising any where cuz at that time E&M was getting 35-40 customers a day and they were having a good time with spill overs from E&M. Now E&M is averaging only 20-25 a day so Blue Sky is getting only 10 -12 a day. The only difference is E&M needs at least 15 customers a day to break even and all Blue Sky needs was 5 customers.
 
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What a coincidence. I was about to bump this thread back to front after seeing the spa was pretty dead there today. I was having some discussions at Blue Sky for about 2 hrs for thier new Blue Sea spa opening on Pine Valley this coming Monday and all I saw was only one customer went into E&M in that 2 hrs period. January is always tough but this past year was the toughest for some spas. The funny thing was Blue Sky girls were always watching on monitors to know E&M is busy or mot. They said when E&M is busy. They are busy too. Mia told me Cici and Eva wants the Thai guy to come back to E& M..lol.

Isn't it though.
 
How come E&M needs 15 customers to break even and blue sky only 5?

Is one more debt leveraged than other... I guess it might have to with rates/tips they are charging for service.

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How come E&M needs 15 customers to break even and blue sky only 5?

Is one more debt leveraged than other... I guess it might have to with rates/tips they are charging for service.

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It's a simple math. E&M gets only 26 bucks from every one hr room fee. E&M has receptionist at $ 12 /hr. averaging $120 a day plus 6-7 loads of laundrues a day plus the sauna. Go figure out with the hydro rates and it all adds up. E&M rent is $3300.a month compared to $2800 for Blue Sky. Blue Sky gets $30 room fee for every half hr. No receptionist, no sauna not much laundry. And I am not even talking about how much E&M still owes to Bank.
 
It's a simple math. E&M gets only 26 bucks from every one hr room fee. E&M has receptionist at $ 12 /hr. averaging $120 a day plus 6-7 loads of laundrues a day plus the sauna. Go figure out with the hydro rates and it all adds up. E&M rent is $3300.a month compared to $2800 for Blue Sky. Blue Sky gets $30 room fee for every half hr. No receptionist, no sauna not much laundry. And I am not even talking about how much E&M still owes to Bank.

Well, Krayjee get back to working/helping E&M and you will make a lot of people happy.
 
I guess I need to visit Michelle more often...

E&m girls work more harder and yet they come out being under in the end... strange world we live in...

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I guess I need to visit Michelle more often...

E&m girls work more harder and yet they come out being under in the end... strange world we live in...

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Not sure what you mean, E&M girls are highly rated and are busy
 
The fact that e&m earns 26 bucks for an hour and blue sky 30 bucks for half an hour.

Agree, e&M is busy and highly rated but apparently they are not making enough compared to their next door neighbors even though they work (double) hard.

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The fact that e&m earns 26 bucks for an hour and blue sky 30 bucks for half an hour.

Agree, e&M is busy and highly rated but apparently they are not making enough compared to their next door neighbors even though they work (double) hard.

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Different type of service
 
The fact that e&m earns 26 bucks for an hour and blue sky 30 bucks for half an hour.

Agree, e&M is busy and highly rated but apparently they are not making enough compared to their next door neighbors even though they work (double) hard.

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If E&M is having trouble then the whole industry is in trouble.....we don't see spas closing we see more opening.
 
Yeah... Agree...im doing an apples to oranges comparison here...

My point was (Don't know for sure if it's a point at all).. if I owned E&M, the thought of switching to holistic would definitely come to mind...or in my case would never leave my mind... (does it make sense...)

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Yeah... Agree...im doing an apples to oranges comparison here...

My point was (Don't know for sure if it's a point at all).. if I owned E&M, the thought of switching to holistic would definitely come to mind...or in my case would never leave my mind... (does it make sense...)

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I would want to see real numbers...not Krayjee numbers..:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
had a sesson with cici recently, does she not tease at all or something? i had to tell her after like 30minutes of massaging that i enjoyed teasing and would like some smh and even then, it was lackluster and not sensual at all
 
Yeah... Agree...im doing an apples to oranges comparison here...

My point was (Don't know for sure if it's a point at all).. if I owned E&M, the thought of switching to holistic would definitely come to mind...or in my case would never leave my mind... (does it make sense...)

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Holistic spa is a much better choice if you want to make quick bucks with very little investment. I will give you a very good example. It costs over $160,000 to bulid E&M from ground up and it costs Blue Sky less than $30,000. Blue Sky owners Cici and Eva both working, they were making average over $1,000 everyday in their first 3-4 months, doing so well and was about to expand by renovating the basement to install two table shower rooms and all. They changed that plan after I left E&M and their spa got slowed down as well. Nevertheless they made their money back in less than 4 months. Candy spa bought their spa for just $24, 000 and it was all paid off in 3 months.
E&M on the other hand was struggling to make ends meet on their first few months after they opened in late september 2015 and running at a loss every month with getting only 13-14 customers a day to a point Esther and Michelle has to bring in Eva as additional partner to help secure the spa. It took me about 3-4 months and a few changes of ladies to put E&M on solid ground after I started helping them out. E&M still owes quite a big chunk of money to the bank. It is not as easy as you all think.
We all can see clearly who is doing better by the kind of cars the holistic spa owners are driving compared to semi legit spa owners. Most girls working at holistic spas make $500 to 800 a day and girls working at semi legit spas make avg only $250 to 350 after very hard work.
 
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Yes...exactly my point- I said it 'in short'.

Everybody wants to earn more by doing nothing or less...why wouldnt one think about opening/switching to holistic. Let's say you don't want to do it for x reasons. But the thought will most definitely cross ones mind.





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Well, Krayjee get back to working/helping E&M and you will make a lot of people happy.

I don't think it will happen any time soon. Michelle was quite easy to work with while she was struggling. Now she is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from any one. There are lots of things needed to be done, maintained and changed to improve spa image but it is hard to deal with someone who has very limited vision and targeting only on her old regulars Asian blue collar workers. E&M needs to tidy up the place and it is in need of some new fresh girls. Some of the girls at E&M were over worked and getting burnt out working 5 days a week with little breaks in between. Cici and Angel a good example. She herself was over worked and stressed out and moody most time. She turned down the two best ladies I offered to her a few months back. Both ended up at Just relax and booked solid most times

It is a lot easier to deal with someone like Renee who admitted she knows nothing and handed me over the whole spa to manage, or smart and well educated Just Relax owner who is always asking for suggestions to improve her spa image and business. JR girls are responsible to clean the shower room of their own customers after every use to keep the place clean and spotless. She gave Christmas gifts to every of her girls and $50 cash to those who works on New Year's day including me. No wonder JR is the best managed and busiest semi legit spa in town now with lots of pkg holders and regulars with over 30 customers a day even in tough times. They even had 2 record breaking days with over 40 plus customers a few days ago while others were struggling. Even SL is benefitting from JR's spill overs.
 
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I don't think it will happen any time soon. Michelle was quite easy to work with while she was struggling. Now she is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from me. There are lots of things needed to be changed and to improve spa image and all but it is hard to deal with someone who has limited vision. She even turned down the two best ladies I offered to her a few months back. Both ended up at Just relax.
It is a lot easier to deal with someone like Renee who admitted she knows nothing and handed me over the whole spa to manage, or smart and well educated Just Relax owner who is always asking for suggestions to improve her spa image and business. No wonder JR is the busiest semi legit spa in town now with lots of pkg holders and regulars with over 30 customers even in tough times.

Shangri-La is on the ropes with the "marketing genius's" guidance.(crazy $500 packages,one month door price special discount for MP members who mention the special )...on and on(not to mention the odd free hj :rolleyes:)....now not surprisingly Krayjee in search of a win is trying to attach his name to JR(numbers questionable of course)...in the meantime--"Now she (Michelle) is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from me."........Guess what KJ,Michelle let you go for a reason:rolleyes:
 
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I don't think it will happen any time soon. Michelle was quite easy to work with while she was struggling. Now she is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from any one. There are lots of things needed to be done and changed to improve spa image and business but it is hard to deal with someone who has very limited vision. She even turned down the two best ladies I offered to her a few months back. Both ended up at Just relax and booked solid most times. E&M is in need of some new fresh girls. Some of the girls at E&M were over worked and getting burnt out working 5 days a week with little breaks in between. Cici and Angel is a good example. She herself was over worked and stressed out most time.

It is a lot easier to deal with someone like Renee who admitted she knows nothing and handed me over the whole spa to manage, or smart and well educated Just Relax owner who is always asking for suggestions to improve her spa image and business. She gave Christmas gifts to every of her girls and $50 cash to those who works on New Year's day including me. No wonder JR is the best managed and busiest semi legit spa in town now with lots of pkg holders and regulars with over 30 customers a day even in tough times. They even had 2 record breaking days with over 40 plus customers a few days ago. Even SL is benefitting from JR's spill overs.

I was a spill over with no regrets but still have to check out JR...
 
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  30. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed โ€จ Sami Vietnamese Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Selena Vietnamese Cici Cute Vietnamese Elena Vietnamese โ˜Ž๏ธ 647-446-0886
  31. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek : On Sunday March 16, 2025, our attendants will be Ada ๐Ÿค—, Cici ๐Ÿ˜˜, Lucy โค๏ธ, Ivy ๐Ÿฅฐ and Christina ๐Ÿ”ฅ Call 905-479-6668 to book!
  32. Golden Flower Spa:
  33. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek : On Sunday March 16, 2025, our attendants will be Ada ๐Ÿค—, Cici ๐Ÿ˜˜, Lucy โค๏ธ, Ivy ๐Ÿฅฐ and Christina ๐Ÿ”ฅ Call 905-479-6668 to book!
  34. Giggle Guru:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Sexy Saturday๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” Tina, Yoyo, Amber, Akino,Juliet, GFE Eva, Echo,๐Ÿ†•Julia, Julie& Jennyโ€” ๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - Your Black Friday Bliss is Here!๐Ÿ™Œ
  35. BlueXado Therapy & Spa:
  36. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Doris ,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Midi ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  37. Moneylee:
    Full season Wellness center: New Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Emily, Student big boobs buttocks Vicky ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Linda , young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Midi, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. ๐Ÿ  2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 โ˜Ž๏ธ 4379857899 ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ
  38. Endless Joy Spa:
    โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ[GRAND OPENING]โœจโœจโœจโœจโœจ ๐Ÿ’žEndless Joy Spa๐Ÿ’ž ๐ŸŽ‡ (155 East Beaver Creek Rd Unit #8, Richmond Hill) 416-731-8565๐ŸŽ‡10am-2am, New First Day, Young Cute Chinese Jesse, Slim Petite Chinese Vivi & Young Slim Sexy Chinese Faye
  39. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน3 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New girl Ivy big boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜Hot and sexy body, super body slide, very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, Mia charming breasts 36D pink nipples good massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking s
  40. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธAnna๐ŸŒธValentina๐ŸŒธAlisaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  41. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธRebecca๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธFran๐ŸŒธCindy๐ŸŒธVivian Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  42. Pink Flower Spa:
  43. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅTODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: Bobo๐Ÿ˜˜An alluring and skilled new massage
  44. Pink Flower Spa:
    โ˜Ž๏ธ 416 299 5515 ๐Ÿ‘ 11 Hands, โค๏ธโ€๐Ÿ”ฅ 11 Hearts PINK FLOWER SPA #A8 - 3300 McNicoll Ave, Scarborough WHO'S WORKING TODAY?
  45. Suko 5Girls:
    Suko Spa schdule today on Saturday is with 6 lovely๐Ÿ’“ladies๐Ÿ’“Chloe (new), Nora, Suki, Jojo, Michelle and Kim ๐Ÿ›ฃ 420 ValleymedeDr, Richmond Hill, same plaza McDonalds ๐Ÿ“žโ˜Ž 905-597-8880 โ˜Ž
  46. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised elegance
  47. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…,new friendly nice girl CiCi,providing oildeep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…nice Vietnamese Amy is very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch,everything she can do,make you comfortable and happy time๐ŸŒบ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนmust try๐Ÿ˜€
  48. HollywoodSpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: COCO & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž COCO is an attractive attendant with nice massage skills & good services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty, 5โ€™2โ€, with a beauty ass, excellent massage, and amazing services. Come and see why she is so popular. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care
  49. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Lika, Sara & Cindy. Lika is our new JAPANESE girl. Come & have a taste of the exotic. Sara is young & slim with nice C Cups, trim waist, sexy bum and long hair. She is vary friendly uses her assets well. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner
  50. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: KELLY & MAGGIE. Kelly is slim and attractive with very slight curves, all natural coconuts, a nice bum, and rockinโ€™ services. Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E) Scarborough, ON M1V 4Y3 โ˜Ž๏ธ437-247-1199โ˜Ž๏ธ
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