kiev?

[Mr. Systemic Autistic]

guys, i will be negotiating as much as i can when im there in june but at the end of the day if i have to choose between a troll for $30 an hour or a 8/10 for $75, i know which i will be choosing....
in australia we pay $150 per hour and thats not with a glamour so thats why i would choose the later.
i will be there for vacation and will pay the going rate in the end, but i will do my best to negotiate

 

[lalCauracig]

A well travelled man ,like you, should know that prices quoted on the internet are always 2-3 times their real value.
This also goes for appartments for rent in Ukraine.They ask for 2-3 times more than if you looked for one by yourself!!!
You will find the same appartment 2-3 times cheaper if you do like ukrainians and consult the classified Ads in the newspapers.
Same goes for pussy!!! The bitch that asks for 100$ through an internet agency can be had for 30$ in normal circumstances. Ukrainian men dont use the internet to get pussy.They meet whores in clubs( average clubs,not upscale ones), in bars, taverns,saunas etc.AND THEY NEVER PAY MORE THAN 30$ for 1 hour.

 

[_Hill_]

I understand english perfectly. Like I said, if some of you can get sex at cheaper prices..great! It doesn't really matter to me. I was just sharing info from my experiences and we all experience different things. Maybe I am getting ripped off, maybe not. If I feel a price is too high, I won't pay it.

But if you think I am full of crap, take a look at these websites:

http://www.intim.com.ua/girls/
http://www.individualki.com.ua/index.php?Lev=girls

and you can see prices of $100 quoted for yourself, right there as bright as daylight. You'll never see a price of $20-$30 posted on any of these sites.

So there was no need for anyone to jump all over my back about it when the girls are the ones posting the prices, not me.

 

[nathanael b]

hi there guys,
i have to agree with funlover about his comments. clearly ukrainianboy has problems in understanding english
the way we speak and write in native english is interpreted in a funnyway by ukrainians
i have a ukrainian girlfriend , with whom i communicate with the help of traslater i get crappy answers to my questions. they find it hard to understand the essence of what you really mean.
IMHO, i travel to ukraine for different reasons but to obtain sex its ridiculous to pay such a large sum. save the plane ticket i can get model escort for 300@NYC,here
happy hunting
colombaa

 

[BangkokBob]

The only one that sounds like a fool is you with your childish reply. Who do you think you are to call others a "fool"? If you are so cheap that you can't afford their rates and now want to blame foreigners, that's your problem. I'm stating what the prices are. I know what they are and locals pay the same rates that I do. If you can get better prices, good for you. The prices don't bother me. If they did, I wouldn't pay them.

 

[Andrea]

Please, dont underestimate the importance of 20-30$..In Ukraine, a normal girl has to work her ass at a regular job to get that amount...At least 3-4 days.I am taking about waitresses, clercks at shops,hairdressers etc.
Having a horny foreigner offer them this amount for a 1 hour fuck session is an offer that they find very appealing, specially if she liked you to start with ,and u invited her for a drink or some pizza.
I think the foreign fools who pay 100$ and upwards should be kicked out of the country and sent back to their London, Frankfurt and New york.
Why do you even bother with the expense of the plane ticket , the hotel etc, to pay such high prices??Just stay in your Countries and pay local whores these astronomically high amounts!!!!!
Only because you agree to pay these prices that they are so high...foreign fools , Ukrainian men laugh at you and so do the whores!!

 

[Tina]

I'm not sure if I responded to this thread yet but it seems that the normal rate of sex is $60-$100. I have never paid less than $50, and the average for normal sex is about $100 at the agencies. There is one agency that I go to and their price is only $65. They have some slutty girls I must say. I don't mean slutty as in they look dirty, but they just look slutty . But some of them look like decent 8's on a 10 point scale. Normally, anal sex is $150 for 1 hour (that would include normal sex). For 2 hours of normal sex, you would probably pay $130-$150.

These prices are based on the agencies that I go to and I go to different ones. These are the same prices the locals also pay. These prices seem high but it is still lower than the $180-$200 that you would pay in the United States.

Should the girls only be paid $20-$30? Well, maybe for the women begging for money on the street. You could probably invite her to your home and bang her for $30 but I don't see it being likely that you will get a prostitute for $30 here. This isn't Tijuana where you bang a girl for $25 for 15 minutes. These are girls that you are banging for 60 minutes, so the price is relative for the most part.

 

[Pompal 09.]

Yes, given the economy, you should pay not more than 20-30 USD. However, Ukranian women fit the archetype fantasy girl of the average western man: blue-eyed blonde, gorgeous. elegant and classy. Unfortunately, men goign there lose their senses and pay too much. Over the years it has driven women's expectations upwards, knowing that some fool WILL pay $100, why settle for the far more reasonable $20. At the river palace they will ask for $200, and after MUCH negotiation, late into the evening, they might settle for $100. Other places it might be lower, but nowhere near what it should be. The best bet is regular girls at regular bars (without a cover charge, which they cannot afford), to whom a few extra dollars might be the little additional persuation they need to have sex with you.

 

[Chewy B]

I speak three words of Chinese and in China I managed for 20-30 USD. 100 USD is ridicolous.
Based on this I would say 100 USD doesn't make sense in Kiev either.

 

[rae rae shorty]

Can you elaborate with a story

 

[America was once free]

Hello:

I will be back in a couple of months, so I decided to check in again. No, I do not speak Russian or Ukranian, and most girls do not speak English, but they are willing to try! If you are lookign for sex only id does not really matter, but you might get lucky and find deep and meaningful conversation with a truly gorgeous and sexy woman. If so, hell, bring her back home with you!

If nayonw has any info on "ladies nights" bars (I know Wed at 112 was pretty good last time), or any more tangible info on Luhansk (is it as good as this one guy says?), please participate.

 

[jhaltrman93]

brodieg let me tell you and everyone else something. america has 5 times the crime rate that all of europe does put together. i would walk down any street in kiev at any time of the day or night before i would walk in broad daylight down most major cities in the bad part of town. as long as you are not stupid you are fine. as far as language goes most people in capitol speak a little english. if you go to a restaurant in kiev or a store someone will speak english. most ok or good ones have menus in english. its not like america where you could get rob for your shoes or beaten because you are white etc. most crimes are petty and are done out of need not want. i have been to all the bad areas road the rails the buses etc in ukraine and in russia just for fun to see what it was like. dont be stupid and you are fine. in sept i will be in italy,croatia,crete,greece,france then in spain. also in august i should be in russia for 7 to 10 days. i will be in ukraine off and on as i have relatives and many many friends there. same goes for moscow. if any of you run into a problem need someone you can trust or a good attorney let me know. also i have some friends that are doctors that are semi retired and are in ukraine for six months a year for fun so if you need med advice because of some emergency and dont trust their system let me know. dont hire any security as all and i mean all of them have ties with criminal elements and will do things to get you to hire more of them or just plain set you up.
one last piece of advice in traveling to ukraine the worst thing you can do is trust an america who lives there. most are there for a reason and they prey on other americans and the trust you have for them. please take my advice to heart and believe that the worst americans i have ever met are the ones i met there.

 

[Uncle]

Hey Stevie,
Thanks for all of the great information, it is really appreciated.
You seem to have a pretty good grasp of the language. It has been a few years since the one year of Russian I took in college. Is language a large barrier for negotiating with cabbies and hitting on non-professionals?

I have been wanting to go for a couple of years now but have been nervous about going alone due to safety/language concerns.
If anyone is planning a trip and looking for a "hunting partner" feel free to contact me. All I need is about a month's notice

 

[Blame it on tha BooGie]

Thanks all very much for your comments and reports. I am going to Kiev for the first time next week, but will be visiting Kiev on a monthly basis after that for business. I there is anybody that has other tips besides the river boat, like good bars with hot girls or other nightclubs I'll be very interested to know.

 

[GrimLykReaper]

I am a youthful late thirties, or at least I like to think so, although every time I look in the mirror.... Maybe it is the attitude. Normally I look for women from 25-30, but in Kiev I might go a little lower to about 20, just because girls mature faster. In any case, with pros age is not an issue, of course, and with regular girls it is all in YOUR attitude, I would say. If you are 55 and do not feel weird hitting on an 18 year old, you could easily succeed, but I would guess that you would feel more at ease with a 25-30, which would be totally okay with her. By that age they are full grown women, able and willing to get involved with any man, irrespective of age. Just hit on any woman you find attractive; they will generally be receptive and you will be gald you did.

Actually, the effect lasts long after you have left the Ukraine. For a few weeks after I was still hitting on every gorgeous woman I saw, with some limited success. I have been trying to keep up the attitude, but I may have to go back to Kiev for a refresher course.

 

[King Benny the Happy]

hey stevie great report, but

 

[laptop_boy537]

yes, sort of like "the Netherlands" of "The USA". Yes, some of us have very low standards.

 

[JackNapier092]

and the site stevie listed gets most of their photos from real escorts but they are in moscow not kiev. most are real. the going rate for them in moscow is 100 usd to 150 usd for the good looking ones. yes you can find cheaping but that is the average

 

[trekkie]

most of what stevie said is true. but here is food for thought. ukrainians dont like their coutry called the ukraine. its like saying the france.
if you wait until later in the night at river palace the good ones are gone. also all of you need to remember my scale is vastly different that most of you. no girl at rp is over a 7 ever. that goes for the hotels in kiev as well. if you want better quality go to the motabar during a fashion show or go to one of the many modeling events. in odessa they even have a body paint festival. in the last few months things have gotten even harder financially in ukraine so expect some changes. renting an apt if much better but they bait and switch as well. ukraine is not a country to just go to and pay for things. you have to haggle over everything.

 

[lynn]

The basics.- Take some money: USD, EUR, GBP, even CAD. Bettter yet, get some Hrivnas (UAH) before you get to the Ukraine, because the currency exchange people do not accept many other currencies and cash machines may not accept your bank card. The last resort is getting cash advances on your credit card, but there are always additional charges with credit cards, and you have to find a bank that is open, and even so, they might not accept your credit card.

Second, your greatest expense, other than sex, will be cab rides and cover charges. You will pay cover charges that regular Ukrainians would never even think of paying and the taxis will also rob you blind, without any shame or remorse. Judging by the length of the rides I took the rate I paid varied by up to 700%. As soon as you get into the open at the airport you will be hounded by taxi drivers who will ask for 200 UAH for a ride into town. The price at the counter where is says taxi is 130-150 UAH, depending on how stupid you look, and the real price, the price any Ukrainian would pay is not more than 100. Your best strategy is to let them know that you know that foreigner prices are higher and play their game. I talked to the guys who wanted 200 and were still following me even after I laughed in their faces, I went up to the counter and they wanted 140, I shouted out the price and held a mini-auction, and settled for 120. I could have gone lower but I was tired. Really it does not matter, what is a few bucks to me, but I just hate being ripped off just because I am a foreigner. My strategy is not only to ask for the price, but also ask them the distance, which after a few days I knew already; I then checked their clearly displayed initial and per/Km charges. At least I got an idea of how much they were willing to lie to me before deciding whether to tell them to fuck off.

Third, forget the hotels and go for an apartment. I had a hotel with a great location that was so shitty that on my second day I got an apartment. I had already paid for the hotel so I ended up paying for 2 places for a couple of days but it was worth it. The apartment was just down the street and it was clean, spacious and private. Foe the 2 days I had left on the hotel I used it during the day, to take a nap and have free breakfast (if you call that breakfast) but at night I went back to the apartment. Not only was the hotel crappy, but my first night I brought in a girl and they bouncer made a big deal out of it, and in the morning they were knocking on my door at 7:00 a.m. That is even tough I had paid for 2 persons! I figured that way there would be no troubles, but I was wrong. On top of it the people at the front counter were rude and spoke no English, and the bouncer was equally rude, saying god knows what to the girl instead of talking to me. High class hotels so allow girls in, but they are usually just their regular hotel girls, and that is why you pay so much. Anyway, I rented a place from http://www.kievrent.net/ and it was great. The girl I dealt with (Yana) was not only beautiful but spoke very good English and made sure I had everything I wanted, according to MY schedule. (I am just talking about the apartment, nothing more here).

Finally, get a cell phone. Whether you are there for business or pleasure, pleasure with pros or not, a cell phone will greatly simplify your life, allow you to make dates and ask for directions. You do not want to be the only person in Kyiv without a phone and you do not want to want ot have to run back to the hotel every time you want to make a call or expect one. If you are staying for 5 days or more, you might as well buy one. If you have a global one or come form Europe you just need a simm card with an Ukrainian number and enough Hrivnas to cover your calls.

Okay, the girls