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I have something I've been wondering about, the more experience I get and as I graduate. I don't know really how to approach this question so bear with me!

I'm just wondering how others have felt about dealing with the aspects included in massage, beyond the mechanical, particularly how you felt your schooling prepared you for dealing with the mind/body/spirit aspect of our work. Many talk about massage being holistic and involving the mind/body/spirit. "Mind/Body/Spirit" phrase was even mentioned several times during school, but that was about the extent of addressing it. It seems inherent to me that whenever we touch someone there is a lot more there than muscles and bones (and the physical properties of our body.) I realize the more clinical approaches to massage are probably more focused on addressing just the body in the session, but even then there's not really a way to cut off the mind and spirit from the work being done. Is there?

I guess I'm writing the all because I am just learning how emotional issues can manifest in the body. (I always knew/believed but now it is the first times I'm experiencing this with a client-that makes it all different! :) ) It's real physical, palpable things going on causing the client a lot of pain. The client wants out of the pain and wants a MT (or PT or MD) to do the job and make it better...but "fixing" it is elusive because while it is physical it's also emotional on the clients part. If I didn't have the feedback of more experienced practitioners that I've found on my own, I would have no idea how possible it is for this to occur.

Did you just learn this kind of stuff after school on your own as you practiced? Also, did your school focus on therapists building a foundation of self-care skills...? I know we are responsible for self-care on our own and all of our ideas of self-care can be different, but the extent of it being covered in school was "You need to make sure to do self-care." and a couple wrist stretches.

Ughhhh....I'm graduating and feeling so overwhelmed with what I feel like I need to build to be up to speed. I guess I am now I am especially realizing the training that was lacking in my program and how simple it would be to make it better! (For starters, I'm chomping at the bit to teach at least a 12 or 16 hour self-care class--addressing all aspects Mind/Body/Spirit-covering the care and keeping of a therapist. How else can we stay open to what is oging on with our clients? And how else can we not fall apart or burn out or lose interest in 2 years (or less)?

Maybe I'm really just venting. But I'd really like feedback from others if you have it about how you dealt with some of this. How did you feel upon graduating? Did you feel prepared? What did you like about your school program, and what do you think could have been added that would have been helpful (now that you're working? What's the first thing you did out of school (work wise, self care, anything) and what was the most helpful to you?


Thanks for this space and for everyone here!!! :)
 


Well, first I would say the it is pretty normal to feel completely overwhelmed when you are just getting out of school.

Second, I would highly recommend readingJob's Body. It is a mix of scientific physiology and an energetic/emotional based tome on the power of touch and bodywork. It can be very dense at times, but equally beautiful.

And most importantly, give yourself time to learn and grow. You will make mistakes, you will not be able to "fix" everyone- and some would argue that we don't do the fixing anyway. It's OK.

Enjoy the journey.
 


Take a deep breath and relax! It is completely normal to feel overwhelmed as you are getting out of school. Many of us feel that one of the biggest things we learned in school is how much is still left to learn. No one school is going to be all things to all therapists. Before starting school, some have an idea of what direction they want to go and can choose their school accordingly. The two schools most convenient to me were very different. One was very much mind/body/spirit connected and the other was much more muscles/bones/anatomy/technique. I found the mind/body/spirit one a little out there for me and also lacking in academic basics, so I opted for the other school. I figured I could always pick up some of the other stuff with continuing education. It was a good choice for me and for the direction I want to take my practice. Sounds as if the other school might have been right up your alley. You are where you are and just because you haven't received certain education, doesn't mean that the school is not a good school. There are lots of good books, videos and continuing education classes that can help you develop in the areas that you want to expand upon.

I think the fact that you feel there is still so much you need to learn is GOOD thing! You're still hungry for more! I'm sure that upon graduation you will be set with enough skills to get yourself started. Each new experience will teach you something valuable.
 


I have to agree with the other posters.

I graduated in 2004 and I am still learning (even quite a few things today).

Sometimes I forget a subject we covered in school and I reference back to my old materials... funny how they become new again! ;)

As with feeling that connecting with mind/body/spirit... I believe it may be more 'natural' for some to feel it than others...

I can only state that sometimes I am intuitive and 'just know' and other times... well, :undecided:

If I feel that I don't have the skills/knowledge to treat a client, I refer them to another therapist/s where that client falls into that therapists scope of practice.
 


Hi palpable, KneadedMassage, and massagengel...


Palpable, thanks for the Job's Body recommendation. It's actually sitting here right now. I finally ordered it after so many recommendations were made for it to other people here, lol. Except I haven't had a chance to actually crack it yet! I've still got homework to complete for my last day of school on Monday, ha. I'm also just finished reading Trager for Self-Healing: A Practical Guide for Living in the Present Moment by Audrey Mairi and it's REALLY good. I've been trying to incorporate some of the exercises from it and it's helpful but currently it's too little too late...but I'm trying to catch up!

Thanks for the assurances that it will be ok with where I am....I guess I want to be a "know it all", but not be a know it all, lol. I didn't have a lot of options for schooling in my area. I think the school I picked was probably the best from what I had to pick from, and I didn't have the luxury or moving to go to a school I'd really love because I'm a single mom. This actually may be part of what is adding to my sense of overwhelm as I have been literally living from school loans and now I have to find something fast to get me on my feet (even if it's not 100% massage related...and well, anyway)

I'm not really worried so much about being intuitive or connecting with the mind/body/spirit aspect of massage. In some ways it's kind of the other way around. I don't feel prepared for the connections, even though they are there. Does that make sense? I guess what I'm sort of talking about is how to protect myself energetically and how to not get energies all mixed up with people as I'm working. I'm not doing energy work specifically even (or at all!) I'm basically just your run-of-the-mill, new out of school therapist now. I've taken a few CEU courses which have been great, but I don't have a ton of experience behind me to go from. I just want to make sure it's clear that I am not TRYING for this energy stuff to happen. It just happens! and that is what I wish I had better education about because I didn't realize it was going to be so much. What I'm talking about it sort of like needing to learn how to have energetic boundaries and still be open to my clients. Along with that, it seems toward the end of clinic (I'm done with clinic now!) I really started attracting clients with really active energetic issues going on....mentally, emotionally or whatever. I don't know how else to explain this. Maybe it sounds weird. The reason I say I somehow attracted them is because they would rebook with me. This of course was wonderful,...but ackkk!!! :) I truly enjoy working with them, but at the same time I want to be more prepared. I guess I will refer out like you said, massagengel...one client I already gave another therapist's name who I thought could maybe help and she might like.

Ok, back to pausing, breathing, feeling the weight (that good Trager stuff ;) )........oh so many lessons for me to learn!!!!! :) (btw, no Trager Approach mt's in my area or I would go to one, lol-money is also another pesky little issue too to get the bodywork that might help right now...so you know--oh my back to the present moment and no more of this trying !:))

Thank you for listening!!!!! :)
 


healingtime said:
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I'm not really worried so much about being intuitive or connecting with the mind/body/spirit aspect of massage. In some ways it's kind of the other way around. I don't feel prepared for the connections, even though they are there. Does that make sense? I guess what I'm sort of talking about is how to protect myself energetically and how to not get energies all mixed up with people as I'm working.

I know how you feel- I finished school in November and have just passed the and am awaiting the receipt of my license in the mail (I show up on the state's web site search, just don't have the piece of paper in hand yet- should get it next week!)

I think what you're worried about can be helped by learning how to "ground" yourself. Different people do it differently.

I wasn't/am not so worried about it because it's something that a) I learned about a long time ago under different applications, and b) I got real familiar with as my husband went through school/started working, and he'd tell me tales of his "good" and "not-so-good" experiences with grounding or forgetting to ground. But everyone can get "ungrounded" from time to time, so don't feel bad.

I'd suggest to practice whatever techniques help you get through your normal day in a more "grounded" way- I mean, even going to the grocery store and driving in heavy traffic can require some sort of grounding, especially if you have to deal with very rude people! Some folks can get through 3 hours of bumper-to-bumper, rush-hour traffic without so much as a blink, and others... well, not pretty!
 


"Mind/body/spirit" can become a euphemism for "emotional baggage" that some misguided bodyworkers think they should try to resolve for the client. There are even some well-known CE providers that teach classes on resolving emotional issues through body and/or energy manipulation.

We are bodyworkers. We do massage. We help people to relax and use tissue manipulation techniques to stimulate physiological processes that we hope will support increased wellbeing. Mental/emotional/spiritual issues are outside our scope of practice.

Clients with emotional issues may be attracted to you because they sense your boundaries are weaker and that you have a desire to please. But you are having mixed feelings because you sense that they are seeking something beyond what you are trained to provide. Pay close attention to this instinct and trust your gut. Strengthen your boundaries and give yourself time to develop as a therapist.
 


Ditto on what others have already said. However, keep in mind that over time you will develop more of your sense of direction. You could end up heading into a practice that includes other things from nutritional support to other holistic healing methods, counseling & the like. School is a foundation from which we build on, as we go throughout our careers.

Consider building a network of other practitioners to whom you may want to refer clients out who need additional support. In that way you can serve your clients other needs, without feeling you are their only support person!

Remember that their life, & their issues are not up to you to fix, or you'll be over-identifying with them. Keep in mind that the comfort of touch alone, does go a long way toward soothing the person, who has come to see you. As they relax & let go of the physical tension, they are releasing the breath, & letting go of the place in which they've been stuck.

If you are very emotionally or intuitively sensitive, you may easily "pick-up" your client's "stuff". Should this be the case it may be helpful for you to look into books or classes in intuitive development, so that you are better equipped to handle whatever you may find yourself dealing with. You are welcome to PM me for more info if needed.
 
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    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen sun at 10 to10.we have 4young beautiful girls working everyday,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…, friendly nice girl Sunny providing deep tissue to relax message back walking hot stone and nice body slide,back walk ๐Ÿ…joey is very good looking,big big breasted sweet sensual oil touch,deep to relax massage,really popular,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ
  32. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Sophia,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament Lala,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Midi , Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie , Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry,๐Ÿ  address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  33. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Anika , Student pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Lvy ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Bobo , Taiwan girl DD Boobs Thai deep massage lily,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  34. AliceSpa:
    SUNDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Amazingly Hot Top Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm: MIKO (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young, very pretty, slim & busty internet celebrity who can make your face shine. 5'2", 100 Lbs, long black hair. Excellent service strong massage bbbj cim dfk, all menus. SOPHIA: is a cute, young & pretty Singaporean
  35. bnwellness_wilson:
    have 4 masseuse are working today. Young sweet student Kitty 26โ€™s with curve body open mind and young pretty popular Lily small 25โ€™s with curve body ,fun sexy Ivy 36DD with big buttocks 30โ€™s open mind and cute GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome, back entrance and parking available. 350 Wilson Ave North York
  36. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅBEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Massage with
  37. ForeverWarden:
    Sunday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bobo, Vivian & Cindy. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Vivian is an attractive slim Vietnamese honey with C Cups, who can sweeten your day with daty, bj and cfs Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups.
  38. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS ADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683/905.886.9993 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Young Beautiful Girls : New Girl Joey, Lovely Lisa, Charming Chloe, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) **TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY IS LISA**
  39. HolidaySpa:
    Sunday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: Amy & Jenny. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Jenny has a medium build, nicely curvy with a slim waist, pretty face, and very flexible skills. Jenny will make you very happy.
  40. SugarLoveSpa:
    Sunday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ANA, HANA & TINA. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. ANA is a young, short and sweet lady, 5โ€™1 & 105 Lbs, very tight, with a small to medium booty. Ana is a versatile honey who provides great massage, & can accommodate your needs. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. JENNY is sweet
  41. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Yumi๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ’‹A striking new tall gorgeous Korean model with long, flowing reddish-brown hair cascading down her back and a slender, elegant figure that exudes grace and poise. Yumiโ€™s natural confidence and allure, make her approachable
  42. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Yoyo and
  43. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ New Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back
  44. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Barbie Petite Korea Part time School girl Elena Vietnamese sweetheart girl Sami Gorgeous Model Type Vietnamese Girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Natalie filipina mixed Petite girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  45. New spring spa@:
    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Latino ๐Ÿ’–Singapore ๐Ÿ’– Korean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spa๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  46. Ivyspa:
    Miami
  47. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl โ—๏ธJenny , sexy girl 1.60 M.pretty boobs 36D๐Ÿ˜˜Superb service ๐Ÿ‘ Sweet girl Suki Big Boobs 36DD ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  48. Alibi Massage and Spa:
    Most sensual touch ๐Ÿ’‹ ALIBI Massage&SPA ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ฒ KAY ๐Ÿ‡ช๐Ÿ‡บ ROSE ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡นJANNE ๐Ÿ“ž905 212 1222๐Ÿ“1380 Matheson Blvd East, Mississauga
  49. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธValentina๐ŸŒธAlisaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  50. HollywoodSpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ, 4578 Yonge St, Unit 100, North York, ON: COCO & SISI. โ˜Ž416-222-5554โ˜Ž COCO is an attractive attendant with nice massage skills & good services. SISI is a sweet slim beauty, 5โ€™2โ€, with a beauty ass, excellent massage, and amazing services. Come and see why she is so popular. When you visit ๐ŸŽญHollywood Spa๐ŸŽญ, you will be treated with tender care
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